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    Quote Originally Posted by cyberbritt View Post
    a place between communism and capitalism is the way to go.

    Your statements Difer is horrifing.


    Do you really like the statistic that 1% of the population owns 70 % of the wealth?
    i can tell you easily thats not because the rest of the population is lazy.
    Its a extremly corrupt system that suits the riches in every way.

    Capitalism do not have a good soloution for people who gets sick, damaged at work and other different things.
    In many scenes the owners of the means of production have sticked together and agreed to hold the wages down and regulate the prices.
    You do realise that USA that is under capitalism aint a democratic nation anymore?
    You make very valid points Cyber, I respect that.

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    I still want to hear people's opinions on this! Post post post.

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    I would want socialism since for my country it worked very good if you ask me.Now all fucked up so,capitalism...no thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zaxer View Post
    Fuck that scared the shit out of me when I saw it...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zaxer View Post
    The idea behind socialism and left politics are not to support lazy people. It's to support people in need, it's a question about moral. Take Bill Gates for example, one of the richest people in the world, he have no problem with sharing his wealth with the third world.

    Using the argument; "I'm rich, and I support capitalism because it means I will stay rich" doesn't hold. You need to look at things from a society's perspective.
    The problem with taking Mr. Gates as an argument for socialism is that capitalism is what creates these creative and successful people. Removing the capitalistic ideals would remove the competitive drive that runs many entrepreneurs and their ideas. No society benefits from being far off one end, but as with most things a mix is preferable.

    As someone above me stated, humans strive for power, as is their nature. Capitalism tries to use this human drive while socialism negates it. Evidently we're yet to come up with the perfect political ideology, due to the fact that humans differ so greatly. This is another fact socialism (or rather comunism) tries to undermine. Equality proves efficient as long as every man is the same as the next, but that's not the case, which is why it remains a beautiful yet extremely unrealistic and inapplicable theory. Sad as it is to say, we were not made for an equal society, for our competitive mind does not allow it.

    My 0,02$.

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    The monetary systems comes with flaws, flaws that the rotschilds use within their bank. They got a hold of the power to print money, and fooling every sheeple that the people run the banks. They make sure that the dollar rules the oil. But making money by letting people storing money won't work, however letting people borrow and pay interest rate back is the real money maker. Today it's out of control and the inflation is incredible high. Well they going in for Syria so that they can round up for Iran and establish Rotshilds banks. But of course this is not what you're going to be told, they are going to look for "weapon of massdestruction". Nothing of this will work if you want total freedom. I know this isn't according to the topic. I just want to say that this system with I.O.U.'s is way to old and we should be able to evolve into a greater way of thinking, atleast this I thought. Look at "The Venus Project", I'm not saying that it's a good idea but it probably solves more then our current system.. Well time to put on my tinfoil hat again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ythan View Post
    The problem with taking Mr. Gates as an argument for socialism is that capitalism is what creates these creative and successful people. Removing the capitalistic ideals would remove the competitive drive that runs many entrepreneurs and their ideas. No society benefits from being far off one end, but as with most things a mix is preferable.

    As someone above me stated, humans strive for power, as is their nature. Capitalism tries to use this human drive while socialism negates it. Evidently we're yet to come up with the perfect political ideology, due to the fact that humans differ so greatly. This is another fact socialism (or rather comunism) tries to undermine. Equality proves efficient as long as every man is the same as the next, but that's not the case, which is why it remains a beautiful yet extremely unrealistic and inapplicable theory. Sad as it is to say, we were not made for an equal society, for our competitive mind does not allow it.

    My 0,02$.
    Of course competition is needed for a society to evolve, that's how nature works. Evolution is based off superior species. But there's a great difference between communism and socialism, communism supports extreme equality while socialism supports giving, while receiving something in another way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ythan View Post
    The problem with taking Mr. Gates as an argument for socialism is that capitalism is what creates these creative and successful people. Removing the capitalistic ideals would remove the competitive drive that runs many entrepreneurs and their ideas. No society benefits from being far off one end, but as with most things a mix is preferable.

    As someone above me stated, humans strive for power, as is their nature. Capitalism tries to use this human drive while socialism negates it. Evidently we're yet to come up with the perfect political ideology, due to the fact that humans differ so greatly. This is another fact socialism (or rather comunism) tries to undermine. Equality proves efficient as long as every man is the same as the next, but that's not the case, which is why it remains a beautiful yet extremely unrealistic and inapplicable theory. Sad as it is to say, we were not made for an equal society, for our competitive mind does not allow it.

    My 0,02$.
    This.

    Both ideologies appear sound on paper but drastically fall short in practice. Another problem is different economic systems work for different people. We look at Cuba as the supposed poster child of how socialism fails a society, yet they boast a continuously top globally ranked healthcare system that is undeniably far superior to the US's, yet America has at least twice the GDP output as Cuba and considers itself to be a country "for the people". However, on the flip side socialism in the wrong hands is merely a means of perpetuating aristocracies and keeping the wealth of a nation in the hands of those who have power. Both were created with good intentions but have been adopted to be used in quite the opposite.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zaxer View Post
    I do agree with you in some cases. Although here in Sweden we've had socialism that ruled for over 50 years, and we were under that time one of the richest countries in the world, with some of the lowest rate of unemployment. Corruption was never a problem, but I can see that it easily can become one is many countries around the world.
    Same here in Romania , communism was a good thing , besides the bad thing that it had .you can not speak of socialism if you haven't experienced it. Since democracy come in, my country is a colony , an entire genocid is taking place against it.

    Media no longer plays an important role to make you smarter , capitalism want you to be stupid so they can make you a slave . a stupid slave which accept his condition . the only thing that keeps my country alive is that people have earth, they own the land, many sold it , but still there are those who continue to work it unfortunately this system is doing everything to force you sell it without land to grow you're food and a house you're nothing . You're just a slave to taxes .

    anyway during monarchy we've experienced the richest times .

    ps " funny is that in the last years the Noble for lecture/books went to ex communist countries . =))) why ? because people cared about education during those times .

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    as long as people are self-sufficient and own there own land and houses, capitalism is best with private charities. When society decides to build a manufacture base though, you need to go for socialism, because it would be too risky to pick a specialized trade under full liability for your livelihood. Third stage would be when human capital is starting to become less needed, then you must have a more communistic society, where the state deems what you are liable for, because it can no longer be measured by how useful you are. Last stage is a technocracy.

    Well the technocracy is around the corner, but those who are in power think they need to cull the heard a bit first though, unfortunately. The world has been under communism, for the elites, disguised as varying degrees of socialism for the slaves.

    This is just a partial picture though. The whole truth can only be understood through a perspective that is not of the natural mind/world.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mynth View Post
    as long as people are self-sufficient and own there own land and houses, capitalism is best with private charities. When society decides to build a manufacture base though, you need to go for socialism, because it would be too risky to pick a specialized trade under full liability for your livelihood. Third stage would be when human capital is starting to become less needed, then you must have a more communistic society, where the state deems what you are liable for, because it can no longer be measured by how useful you are. Last stage is a technocracy.

    Well the technocracy is around the corner, but those who are in power think they need to cull the heard a bit first though, unfortunately. The world has been under communism, for the elites, disguised as varying degrees of socialism for the slaves.

    This is just a partial picture though. The whole truth can only be understood through a perspective that is not of the natural mind/world.
    In no society would this be 100% possible.
    In my head, there are some things that I am more than willing to pay for with taxes: Education, healthcare, police & fire department etc.
    The reason for this is that I don't want to live in a country full of sick, stupid people that turn to criminal activity due to bad police department.

    That's why I'd rather live in a socialistic society than in a capitalistic one. Everyone should start with the same possibilities, but then what you make of the situation is in your hands.

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    Capitalism, of course. Our capitalistic society, has gone further and made discoveries, that no one could ever have imagined. Capitalism has worked for us in the past, it works now and it will do in the future aswell. Which is more than you can say for communism or extreme socialism - we can see through history that it is doomed to fail. While Capitalism might not be the optimal ideology, it has still helped ensuring world peace and much more.
    Sharing is caring, true. But we will never be able to share everything we have. I lust for power, so do many others.

    The poorer is getting poorer and the richer is getting richer. Is an untrue statement. Whilst the richer are infact getting richer, the poor is aswell.
    I believe in expertism, two different human beings cannot do the same and are not qualified to do the same anyhow. I also believe that some humans are born under conditions, which has made them able to evolve and expand their knowledgebase quicker and to a bigger extent, than the rest of world.

    Speaking of corruption is just silly, if you live in the west or the U.S. I get so tired of hearing the same over and over again.. The system is corrupt, it suits the rich. Blah. No the system is not corrupt, we are the system. If you do not want the current government, then make sure 51% of the population does not want it aswell and it will change. The rich have made their own money, it is very unlikely that the 1% richest of the worlds population made their money through ilegalities.

    Every human starts with the same tools, his/hers hands, feet and head. Even a poor person can build his/hers own future.
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