Cloning

[TheMagic]

CLONING
Its easier than you think

http://img526.imageshack.us/img526/4426/cloningsheep.gif

Panayiotis Zavos (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panayiotis_Zavos#Cloning) is actively working on cloning a human also

[mattatheos]

that's pretty epic, the sheep are kinda boring but a cloned human now that's something to talk about.

[Seragath]

Soon I'm gonna be able to clone myself! Then you all can have a piece of me! :*

[TheMagic]

Soon I'm gonna be able to clone myself! Then you all can have a piece of me! :*

Contact these people (http://www.clonaid.com/page.php?8) lol

that's pretty epic, the sheep are kinda boring but a cloned human now that's something to talk about.

Lol

https://webspace.utexas.edu/lpy55/human-cloning-diagram.gif

[HelpForMoney]

Lots of defects can happen with humans, chromosome cloning leading to mutations/deletion. Lots of times RNA/DNA is nonfunctional, tumors etc.

[mattatheos]

so by mutations you mean bad mutations and not X-Men mutations? :P

[HelpForMoney]

Mutations leading to bad immune systems, diseases, physical error such as looking like this
http://www.jankraak-taichitao.nl/upload/htmleditor/DU%20baby%20Afghanistan%203.jpg
That's a mutation from uranium depletion, caused by the United States

[TheMagic]

Post source or shopped.

[dfighter]

We should clone Jesus Christ, and make him a superstar. Oh wait..

[HelpForMoney]

Post source or shopped.

You don't know what Uranium Depletion is? LOL. Are you in 8th grade?

It was a cheap way of getting resources and had many defects on humans. Called Gulf War Syndrome.
http://www.google.com/images?client=opera&rls=en&q=uranium%20depletion&oe=utf-8&um=1&ie=UTF-8&source=og&sa=N&hl=en&tab=wi

[darktwilly7]

Lol, Everyone should know that it aint possible to clone a human with the technology today, But i betcha it will be possible but by that time we all be dead. Well cool theory tho, But i dont think that this will work =D.

Its 04.44 am, Dont blame me for bad grammar

[mattatheos]

if you clone yourself would your clone be just like you? like as in mannerisms, personality, soul, etc

[TheMagic]

Everyone should know that it aint possible to clone a human with the technology today

To late.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/3406129.stm
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/fertility-expert-i-can-clone-a-human-being-1672095.html

You don't know what Uranium Depletion is? LOL. Are you in 8th grade?

It was a cheap way of getting resources and had many defects on humans. Called Gulf War Syndrome.
http://www.google.com/images?client=opera&rls=en&q=uranium%20depletion&oe=utf-8&um=1&ie=UTF-8&source=og&sa=N&hl=en&tab=wi

Nuclear radiation has nothing to do with genetic engineering.

if you clone yourself would your clone be just like you? like as in mannerisms, personality, soul, etc

Of course not, are identical twins the same (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nature_versus_nurture)? Dumb question

[mattatheos]

Of course not, are identical twins the same (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nature_versus_nurture)? Dumb question

It's not a dumb question, it was an honest question. Identical twins come from like the same egg don't they? But a clone comes from you so wouldn't it be more similar to you then your twin would?

[Wolfly]

I reckon they wouldn't be the same as you. The personality and values of a person doesn't all come from genes as far as I'm concerned. It depends on the environment you develop in.

[HelpForMoney]

To late.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/3406129.stm
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/fertility-expert-i-can-clone-a-human-being-1672095.html



Nuclear radiation has nothing to do with genetic engineering.



Of course not, are identical twins the same (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nature_versus_nurture)? Dumb question

No shit it doesn't. It is an example of a mutation that is likely to occur in genetic engineering. Tumors and growths and damage to the brain. hurrudrr.

[TheMagic]

No shit it doesn't. It is an example of a mutation that is likely to occur in genetic engineering. Tumors and growths and damage to the brain. hurrudrr.

True this could happen and it takes a lot of attempts to get a pregnancy but most eggs die before ever being born, but here's an example the first dog clone, Snuppy, no defects found:

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/08/photogalleries/dogclone/images/primary/dog_clone1.jpg

[mattatheos]

thats a really furry dog

[TheMagic]

thats a really furry dog

Afghan hound?

We used to have one

[mattatheos]

the way the tail and legs look kind of reminds me of something out of a Dr. Suess book haha

[TheMagic]

You should get one lol

http://www.petfinder.com/dog-breeds/Afghan-Hound

[Jester]

Cloning animals isn't bad, but cloning humans is a terrible idea for more than 1 reason.


that's pretty epic, the sheep are kinda boring but a cloned human now that's something to talk about.

See above comment.

Soon I'm gonna be able to clone myself! Then you all can have a piece of me! :*

If you were still just an egg in your mother's reproductive system, maybe. Cloning your offspring is about the closest you can get to replicating yourself multiple times.

if you clone yourself would your clone be just like you? like as in mannerisms, personality, soul, etc

No, it wouldn't even look exactly like you. There would be some variation but not a massive amount, tastes, preferences, opinions and ideals would vary greatly though. No two humans are exactly the same even if they are clones.

[Seragath]

Cloning animals isn't bad, but cloning humans is a terrible idea for more than 1 reason.




See above comment.



If you were still just an egg in your mother's reproductive system, maybe. Cloning your offspring is about the closest you can get to replicating yourself multiple times.



No, it wouldn't even look exactly like you. There would be some variation but not a massive amount, tastes, preferences, opinions and ideals would vary greatly though. No two humans are exactly the same even if they are clones.

I'm sorry. But cloning is actually making an exact copy of yourself correct ? by that I mean the looks have no difference at all, of course how he acts and personality might be different. That's how I understood it. But Cloning is useless for me unless you can clone your own brain 100% :P

[Syke]

I'm sorry. But cloning is actually making an exact copy of yourself correct ? by that I mean the looks have no difference at all, of course how he acts and personality might be different. That's how I understood it. But Cloning is useless for me unless you can clone your own brain 100% :P

Stem cells? It's only a matter of time before people are growing more and more complex organs like lungs, livers, and kidneys. Not long after that they will be growing entire humans.

Sign yourself up for that and I'm thinking thats another way of cloning someone.

[TheMagic]

Stem cells? It's only a matter of time before people are growing more and more complex organs like lungs, livers, and kidneys. Not long after that they will be growing entire humans.

Sign yourself up for that and I'm thinking thats another way of cloning someone.

I agree with stem cell research but only adult stem cell (can be found in bone marrow) research, many of you know I'm pro-life and this is the reason why

But also by using adult stem cells, there is absolutely no risk of transplant rejection

A stem cell btw to those who don't know is basically a cell which has no purpose yet and is capable of "transforming" into w/e type of cell it needs to be used for

Scientists have been successful at growing human bladders so far with stem cells and even hearts, not human hearts yet, but hopefully soon.

As for growing humans outside of a womb Syke, I don't think that would be possible certain organs can be grown outside the body but only to a certain extent, and even if it was possible to 'grow a human' in a lab the complications of it would just defeat the purpose in the first place.

[cyberbritt]

maybe, but the world would get worse with cloning of human beeings

[Seragath]

Well..Syke is right actually. Even though we've only managed to grow them to some extent, it only shows that in time we'll be able to grow whole bodies outside of a womb.

[Syke]

It will definitely be decades before we can get growing humans outside of the womb right, with many many failures before that. If we can even get that far.

During the first tests I'm guessing there would be severe problems with the test subject, deformities and mutations for sure, and there will be those nut jobs out there screaming about it and how it's inhumane and how we can't play god.

But then how are humans not playing god when they reproduce? Growing a human from the sperm of a male and the egg of a female in the mother vs. growing one from cells harvested from the bone marrow of an adult. I don't see why it matters.

[TheMagic]

I don't think it's inhumane, but if you did it that way you'd have to gather a source cell from every organ (1 heart cell, 1 bladder cell, 2 lung cells, 2 eye cells etc.) and many many stem cells

[mattatheos]

Think of how many peoples lives will be saved if we could grow humans and use them completely for farming transplants. Those transplant waiting lists would be completely gone and hospitals would be able to fix people up rather then clog themselves to death with patients that are slowly dying as they wait to get on a list that'll take the death of another human being to give them life. If we could just grow humans and take the grown body parts out, we wouldn't have to wait for something terrible to happen for someone to get saved and then when something bad does happen we could use the bodies for scientific and medical research.

[Telrander]

You can't create human beings or life, only God can do that! God doesn't want us messing around with stem cells and stuff. All this research does is kill babies and make God mad, science is completely fueled by Satanists and their bloody cults.

[Syke]

You can't create human beings or life, only God can do that! God doesn't want us messing around with stem cells and stuff. All this research does is kill babies and make God mad, science is completely fueled by Satanists and their bloody cults.

Really? Only god creates humans? I guess it was god who screwed my mom then resulting in me being born. I guess that makes me the son of god. Now bow down before me or you will go to hell.

[Telrander]

HOW DARE YOU SAY YOU ARE THE SON OF GOD?! YOU'RE NOTHING BUT A FUCKING SINNER AND YOU'LL ROT IN HELL FOR LYING! God wills that a baby be porn. Not all unprotected sex results in a baby. If God wants a baby to be made then it will be made for His will conquers all.

[Syke]

HOW DARE YOU SAY YOU ARE THE SON OF GOD?! YOU'RE NOTHING BUT A FUCKING SINNER AND YOU'LL ROT IN HELL FOR LYING! God wills that a baby be porn. Not all unprotected sex results in a baby. If God wants a baby to be made then it will be made for His will conquers all.

And my will conquers his sorry ass, I bend him over and ass rape him. Then he asks for more, god is my bitch.

[QQrofl]

I'll clone my face and put it on your mom.

[Telrander]

You're both Devil-worshiping sinners. God will either smite you or allow me to find you and kill you. You are defiling His world and you must be punished!

[Syke]

You're both Devil-worshiping sinners. God will either smite you or allow me to find you and kill you. You are defiling His world and you must be punished!

I punished your mom last night, she was being very naughty.

[mattatheos]

I really don't see what the problem is with abortion, stem cell research or cloning but apparently it is just the end of the world to people like Telrander.

[Syke]

I really don't see what the problem is with abortion, stem cell research or cloning but apparently it is just the end of the world to people like Telrander.

When humans invent super computers capable of human-like thought, rationale, reasoning, decision making, emotions and thought processes it will be the end of the world. Biological research doesn't fuck over the human race, unstoppable machines with seemingly infinite knowledge and wisdom do.

[mattatheos]

It's true, I think we can all say that technology controls our lives to some high degree.

[expo]

When humans invent super computers capable of human-like thought, rationale, reasoning, decision making, emotions and thought processes it will be the end of the world. Biological research doesn't fuck over the human race, unstoppable machines with seemingly infinite knowledge and wisdom do.

Computers are only capable of doing what they are programmed to do. The closest thing to independent activity is mimicking.

[mattatheos]

Technology will improve and A.I. will get better eventually.

[expo]

AI still only does what it is programmed to do. It can get better, but still does what it is programmed to do regardless.

[mattatheos]

and like I said it will get better perhaps to the point of a "living" machine

[expo]

Living as in using a power source as a mechanical non-sentient piece of metal that does what it is programmed to do.

[mattatheos]

No, living as in what Syke was saying.

[expo]

No, living as in what Syke was saying.

Which isn't possible. It is like going the speed of light. Some things, just aren't able to happen.

[mattatheos]

Plenty of "impossible" things have been done, you know.

[expo]

Plenty of "impossible" things have been done, you know.

Then they weren't impossible, were they?

[mattatheos]

Then they weren't impossible, were they?

They were claimed to be impossible, just as you claim a machine capable of rational thought and emotion is impossible.

[expo]

They were claimed to be impossible, just as you claim a machine capable of rational thought and emotion is impossible.

And just how science claims what we can and cannot do.

[mattatheos]

Well science usually proves that with tests and data showing how you can't do something like walk through a solid wall.

[expo]

Well science usually proves that with tests and data showing how you can't do something like walk through a solid wall.

We can't do that yet. It is only thought to be impossible with the current tools, technology, and logic we have and use.

[mattatheos]

We can't do that yet. It is only thought to be impossible with the current tools, technology, and logic we have and use.

Exactly, just like computers capable of human thought and emotion.

[expo]

Exactly, just like computers capable of human thought and emotion.

/inb4scienfagsnerdragingcausewejustsaidsciencecanbe wrong

[mattatheos]

/inb4scienfagsnerdragingcausewejustsaidsciencecanbe wrong

Kind of childish but ok, I know science can be wrong. I'm just saying that a computer with human emotions and thoughts may be impossible now with the technology and knowledge we have now but, in the future, when our technology and knowledge grows, we might be able to accomplish this goal.

[gomer]

I'd like to start off with...
"My God. We've had cloning in the South for years. It's called cousins."

Like mattatheos was saying, the robots that have human emotions is huge. We'll have human cloning eventually, I mean we have robots that interlink with our brain waves and patterns so we can control them. Give it time. We'll get it one day. :)

[expo]

Kind of childish but ok, I know science can be wrong. I'm just saying that a computer with human emotions and thoughts may be impossible now with the technology and knowledge we have now but, in the future, when our technology and knowledge grows, we might be able to accomplish this goal.

It isn't necessarily childish. But it is true.

[mattatheos]

I'd like to start off with...
"My God. We've had cloning in the South for years. It's called cousins."

Like mattatheos was saying, the robots that have human emotions is huge. We'll have human cloning eventually, I mean we have robots that interlink with our brain waves and patterns so we can control them. Give it time. We'll get it one day. :)

Exactly, like those robotic arms that they are using for veterans that connect to the nervous system so that you can sense feeling with it even though it is a robotic arm.

[gomer]

Yeah those robotic arms & legs are crazy. They're a lot more complex than most people think. They're also amazing! Imagine not having an arm or leg to feel. With a little science, they got that feeling back.

[mattatheos]

Yeah those robotic arms & legs are crazy. They're a lot more complex than most people think. They're also amazing! Imagine not having an arm or leg to feel. With a little science, they got that feeling back.

Yeah, and soon enough we will be able to put a human brain into a fully functioning robot that acts just like a human body. The robot would be capable of sense and everything and the brain would control it. It would be like cyborgs or whatever.

[Ferguson]

If it had a human's brain, Would it then become the person?

[TheMagic]

Why on earth would you want to do that?, you couldn't even taste food or have sex

[expo]

Yeah, and soon enough we will be able to put a human brain into a fully functioning robot that acts just like a human body. The robot would be capable of sense and everything and the brain would control it. It would be like cyborgs or whatever.

Actually, it wouldn't be a robot, it would be a human with a mechanical body.

[Razorgore077]

if you clone yourself would your clone be just like you? like as in mannerisms, personality, soul, etc

I believe it is just your appearance that is cloned, not everything else.
It would be funny if you cloned yourself and your clone said EXACTLY the same things at the exact same time, that would be AWESOME XD

[Syke]

Actually, it wouldn't be a robot, it would be a human with a mechanical body.

Cybernetic organisms are the shit.

[mattatheos]

Cybernetic organisms are the shit.

Isn't that a cyborg which is what I said a human brain in a robot body would be?

[Syke]

Isn't that a cyborg which is what I said a human brain in a robot body would be?

Pretty much.

[Seragath]

Oh man..Soon people will be wishing for Robot arms for their birthday..Jesus imagine that. "I want a robot arm mom! This human arm sucks!"

[mattatheos]

Oh man..Soon people will be wishing for Robot arms for their birthday..Jesus imagine that. "I want a robot arm mom! This human arm sucks!"

That would be a bit extreme, especially since they'd have to cut off the kids arm lol

[Syke]

That would be a bit extreme, especially since they'd have to cut off the kids arm lol

Hey if you can replace it with an arm that can't feel pain and has twice the strength I say go for it. Now all we need are powered exoskeletons that enhance the wearers strength.

[mattatheos]

Hey if you can replace it with an arm that can't feel pain and has twice the strength I say go for it. Now all we need are powered exoskeletons that enhance the wearers strength.

If the arms have the ability to sense touch and other sensations, wouldn't they feel pain as well?

[Syke]

If the arms have the ability to sense touch and other sensations, wouldn't they feel pain as well?

Who said it felt anything? When someone makes artificial nerves with a nervous system that functions correctly I will be impressed.

[Begeebuz]

I have a cloning machine o.O

[mattatheos]

Who said it felt anything? When someone makes artificial nerves with a nervous system that functions correctly I will be impressed.

We were talking about the robotic and prostetic arms that attatch to the nervous system and let you feel what the robot arm is touching. We took that concept and put it on a larger scale, a whole robotic body connection into the nervous system and brain of a human being. I saw a 60 Minutes thing on the robotic arm in my Economics class last year, I can try and find a link if anyone would like it.

[Syke]

We were talking about the robotic and prostetic arms that attatch to the nervous system and let you feel what the robot arm is touching. We took that concept and put it on a larger scale, a whole robotic body connection into the nervous system and brain of a human being. I saw a 60 Minutes thing on the robotic arm in my Economics class last year, I can try and find a link if anyone would like it.

Gah fuck robotics and biology. If I were a scientist my field would be physicist/astronomer.

[Begeebuz]

http://img202.imageshack.us/img202/5027/begebeeuzlol.png

Beep beep!

[mattatheos]

Gah fuck robotics and biology. If I were a scientist my field would be physicist/astronomer.

How come?

[Syke]

How come?

I find the universe, stars, black holes and the like far more fascinating that humans. Humans are boring, predictable, simple, and stupid. That and the Earth is tiny relative to the rest of the Universe, we won't run out of things to study in space for a tens of thousands if not millions of years to come.

[mattatheos]

I find the universe, stars, black holes and the like far more fascinating that humans. Humans are boring, predictable, simple, and stupid. That and the Earth is tiny relative to the rest of the Universe, we won't run out of things to study in space for a tens of thousands if not millions of years to come.

That's very true, I wonder if we will ever be able to travel in the universe beyond our own solar system.

[Syke]

That's very true, I wonder if we will ever be able to travel in the universe beyond our own solar system.

I hope so, I also hope I see it in my life time, I'd love to get off this effing planet and go live in space or some shit.

[Versolian]

lol@syke

[mattatheos]

lol@syke

Is that a good lol or a bad lol?

[Syke]

lol@syke

Explain this 'lol' at once or I shall sick my minions upon you.

[Versolian]

lol is a word I made up, bitch. Learn to love it. You shall never know it's meaning.

[Syke]

lol is a word I made up, bitch. Learn to love it. You shall never know it's meaning.

My minions. They are out to find you.

[Versolian]

Tell them I left cookies for them in my closet.

[Syke]

Oh you mean those cookies weren't for me? Shit.

[Versolian]

Oh, you ate them? Great, because they were made with sperm. <3

[Syke]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v511/randomsome1/spam/rage_face.jpg

[mattatheos]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v511/randomsome1/spam/rage_face.jpg

rofl

[Versolian]

lol.

Oh, look what I just did again.

[Begeebuz]

lol.

Oh, look what I just did again.

Thou hath spermed of material goods ... ... ... O.o

[mattatheos]

lol.

Oh, look what I just did again.

lol, look what I can do too.

[expo]

Cybernetic organisms are the shit.

Kind of an oxymoron.

[Syke]

Kind of an oxymoron.

Touché.

But then again so are a lot of things people say, like an Anarchist Organization or remotely close or fighting for peace...

[mattatheos]

I don't think I'd want a clone if it was exactly like me and wasn't under my control. I'd hate for one of those situations to come up where the clone thinks they are the original and one of us gets shot.

[Syke]

I don't think I'd want a clone if it was exactly like me and wasn't under my control. I'd hate for one of those situations to come up where the clone thinks they are the original and one of us gets shot.

Carry a gun at all times. Murder your clone when it tried pulling that shit. What are the police going to do, arrest you for killing yourself? Hell that would be a massive judiciary mess.

[mattatheos]

Carry a gun at all times. Murder your clone when it tried pulling that shit. What are the police going to do, arrest you for killing yourself? Hell that would be a massive judiciary mess.

Well if cloning became widely available and popular then I'm sure someone would make a law relating to that, like some kind of chip inside the clone that marks it as a copy and not the original.

[Syke]

Well if cloning became widely available and popular then I'm sure someone would make a law relating to that, like some kind of chip inside the clone that marks it as a copy and not the original.

The law still hasn't fully caught up with the digital age, there are still loop holes in the law big enough to drive a city bus through when it comes to electronics, something as complex as a clone would be a serious mess with legislature.

[mattatheos]

The law still hasn't fully caught up with the digital age, there are still loop holes in the law big enough to drive a city bus through when it comes to electronics, something as complex as a clone would be a serious mess with legislature.

Electronics and technology is sort of different though, it is changing hourly. Cloning doesn't seem like it would be ever changing like technology is. I mean, once a clone is made, how do you improve it? So wouldn't you think it would be easier for laws and regulations to be set up around clones and cloning then other technologies?

[Syke]

Electronics and technology is sort of different though, it is changing hourly. Cloning doesn't seem like it would be ever changing like technology is. I mean, once a clone is made, how do you improve it? So wouldn't you think it would be easier for laws and regulations to be set up around clones and cloning then other technologies?

Maybe. But you have to remember with cloning that your replicating a human being exactly, and the end result is another human being whether the DNA has been synthesized or not, electronics in a simplistic manner are not more than tools to aid the human, a clone is a product of tools specifically designed for that purpose.

[Seragath]

Maybe. But you have to remember with cloning that your replicating a human being exactly, and the end result is another human being whether the DNA has been synthesized or not, electronics in a simplistic manner are not more than tools to aid the human, a clone is a product of tools specifically designed for that purpose.
Exactly. And it would benefit us greatly don't you think ? I mean if we understood cloning completely we would be able to clone a kidney in a (something) fluid tank. Sounds pretty awesome to me.

We were talking about the robotic and prostetic arms that attach to the nervous system and let you feel what the robot arm is touching. We took that concept and put it on a larger scale, a whole robotic body connection into the nervous system and brain of a human being. I saw a 60 Minutes thing on the robotic arm in my Economics class last year, I can try and find a link if anyone would like it.

Well obviously if you can manage to make you feel something with a robotic arm, I'm guessing we almost by then completely understand how the nerve system works, for every small signal it does, and we'll be able to disable the "Pain" part out..Just a guess. But feeling pain all in all is really useful for the human body.