View Full Version : How to defeat religion!
runemaster
06-17-2010, 08:23 PM
Utilize this wheel!
http://proudatheists.files.wordpress.com/2009/05/break-the-cycle.jpg
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GG, science does it, too.
Science is what we we can explain
Religion is what we can not explain
We need both to be honest
Do you plan on doing a lot of fishing? Because you just (re)opened a rather large can of worms.
I wish the US would make a law saying religion may not be publicly practiced, I don't see why they portion of the country that are Atheists should have to deal with these idiots because they think they own the place. The gays get favor, more and more states legalize gay marriage yet Atheists have to listen to "God this" or "Jesus that" every other second of every day.
runemaster
06-18-2010, 02:59 AM
Do you plan on doing a lot of fishing? Because you just (re)opened a rather large can of worms.
I wish the US would make a law saying religion may not be publicly practiced, I don't see why they portion of the country that are Atheists should have to deal with these idiots because they think they own the place. The gays get favor, more and more states legalize gay marriage yet Atheists have to listen to "God this" or "Jesus that" every other second of every day.
Yes I plan on fishing for dolts, because there's alot of idiots
and I agree with the above
Also no science doesnt rotate, it clearly explains its the fittest because it is alive.
Thats fucking logic, dumbass.
Twisting a series of questions that destroys itself is christianity is the point I'm trying to make
Do you plan on doing a lot of fishing? Because you just (re)opened a rather large can of worms.
I wish the US would make a law saying religion may not be publicly practiced, I don't see why they portion of the country that are Atheists should have to deal with these idiots because they think they own the place. The gays get favor, more and more states legalize gay marriage yet Atheists have to listen to "God this" or "Jesus that" every other second of every day.
A big can? Its a jar.
If the US said no one could publicly practice religion, we would be digressing. Then again, we are already digressing quite a bit with the current government. Why stop at religion? Why have government?
runemaster
06-18-2010, 06:03 PM
Why stop at religion? Why have government?
Because in any civilized society you need a governing body to instill order among its people. I guess that's also what religion does.
Neglected
06-18-2010, 06:19 PM
Yes I plan on fishing for dolts, because there's alot of idiots
and I agree with the above
Also no science doesnt rotate, it clearly explains its the fittest because it is alive.
Thats fucking logic, dumbass.
Twisting a series of questions that destroys itself is christianity is the point I'm trying to make
Or it could've been lucky. Science is not infalliable, everything is based on theory and circumstantial evidence.
I'm not trying to stir shit here - I laik debates ;D
dfighter
06-18-2010, 06:33 PM
Or it could've been lucky. Science is not infalliable, everything is based on theory and circumstantial evidence.
I'm not trying to stir shit here - I laik debates ;D
You are so wrong. In science everything is based on observations, and experiments. These tell the HOW.
Then there are theories which are based on those observations and experiments, they try to explain the WHY.
Sure theories can be proven wrong, when new evidence appears.
You can't say the same about religion. Religion is basically about something intangible that you can't prove or disprove, that's why atheists are as stupid as mindless worshippers.
You cannot say that there isn't a God since it's unprovable.
The best approach is that you can say you don't know if there is a God, but you don't believe there is one.
Ontopic:
Why would you want to defeat religion? I don't see the point.
TheMagic
06-18-2010, 06:41 PM
I wish the US would make a law saying religion may not be publicly practiced
Some people..
Every person that signed the Declaration of Independence was a Christian, the whole point of founding the United States was religious freedom, if you don't like religion you might want to go live here (http://www.korea-dpr.com/).
Edit:
Oh yeah Syke, you being an atheist racist is kind of ironic considering the largest racist group in the US is made up of white Christians.
Edit:
Rant #2
I'm a Christian myself but why bring this stuff up at a WoW forum?
If you want to complain go either here (http://www.christian.com/) or here (http://www.atheists.org/).
Oh yeah Syke, you being an atheist racist is kind of ironic considering the largest racist group in the US is made up of white Christians.
Okay? I don't see what they have to do with me, One does not need to believe in some invisible imaginary man that lives in the sky and watches everything you do every moment of every day and who's son will apparently get pissed off if you masturbate to hate people
TheMagic
06-18-2010, 09:43 PM
Another thing you have wrong only the Catholic Church believes masturbation is wrong:
http://www.vatican.va/holy_father/paul_vi/encyclicals/documents/hf_p-vi_enc_25071968_humanae-vitae_en.html
Once again: Okay? Do you really expect me, a person who punched a pastor and broke his nose, to know everything about a religion I would gladly go genocidal on? I could not care any less what religion X says about activity Y or why it's evil, the point is I hate christians and I don't need to be a christian to hate the entire world and everyone on it, and that's all there is to it.
dfighter
06-18-2010, 10:17 PM
Another thing you have wrong only the Catholic Church believes masturbation is wrong:
http://www.vatican.va/holy_father/paul_vi/encyclicals/documents/hf_p-vi_enc_25071968_humanae-vitae_en.html
Wrong, jews believe the same.
The Old Testament has some passage about wasting semen or something.
Wrong, jews believe the same.
The Old Testament has some passage about wasting semen or something.
As i remmember isnt it same in Islam too?
As i remmember isnt it same in Islam too?
Your mom.
Your mom.
Well i dont care what you say abot her,shes annoying and fucks my dads life up.
Well i dont care what you say abot her,shes annoying and fucks my dads life up.
Your father.
Your father.
gtfo,wel both shot you.
gtfo,wel both shot you.
Oh did I hit a nerve? Your father is failure, just as you are.
runemaster
06-18-2010, 10:59 PM
ohshi flamewar. shut the fuck up about peoples families already
religion is fucking stupid, this is why irl I'm a LaVeyan satanist, so I can publicly blastphemize everything the local religious community stands for.
syke you sound the same way. Maybe you should look into it.
Also please refrain from retarded bullshit like talking trash about randoms you dont even know.
Repwhore, you need to be banned, then shot in the crotch.
the entire point was that religion is a endless circle of 3 simple Q's and A's and that it really goes nowhere. Expo's points are typically wrong so Id would like you to just ignore his stupid shit. Science works because it can be proven and proof is what believing something should be and not based of what you think MAY be the situation.
Double
06-18-2010, 11:40 PM
religion is fucking stupid, this is why irl I'm a LaVeyan satanist
Have you thought about a therapist?
You can't spell therapist without rapist.
TheMagic
06-18-2010, 11:55 PM
Wrong, jews believe the same.
The Old Testament has some passage about wasting semen or something.
Not wrong, I was only comparing Protestants vs Catholics
Yeah Jews and Muslims think it's wrong also, I'm not sure about Hindu's and Buddhists's
Grammar fail.
You are trying to convey the plural form of Hindu and Buddhist but you are using an apostrophe which is showing possession.
TheMagic
06-19-2010, 12:03 AM
You'd write it Hindus? that looks weird =p
All heil
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/8f/Grammar_Nazi_Icon_Text.svg/300px-Grammar_Nazi_Icon_Text.svg.png
http://tinyurl.com/ylpjezv
dfighter
06-19-2010, 12:43 AM
http://img291.imageshack.us/img291/4005/1194327985613.jpg
TheMagic
06-19-2010, 12:53 AM
If you don't believe in Jesus explain this:
Pontius Pilate was the Judge at Jesus's trial.
Here's proof Pilate was real:
http://img411.imageshack.us/img411/9830/2435.jpg
Which proves Jesus was real
Proving the existence of one human being does not prove the existence of another, I am real we all know that. But if I told you I had a daughter and you doubted this you'd think I'm a moron for saying "well I exist, so it must be true" the same applies to this Plate guy or wtf ever his name is...
Further more proving Jesus was in fact a real living human being at one time still doesn't prove all of Christianity and all of it's inconsistencies like how the entire human race started from two white human beings. Or how a talking snake convinced some woman to eat a magic apple causing an invisible man in the sky to get seriously pissed off.
Maybe Jesus was real, but perhaps he wasn't really who every Christan thinks he was. Maybe he was insane and just another one of the many men that the Romans crucified (it was a fairly common practice) and he managed to convince some equally insane group of people of the bullshit he said and it got way out of hand.
TheMagic
06-19-2010, 01:33 AM
like how the entire human race started from two white human beings.
Adam & Eve were Jews, the other races and languages started at the Tower of Bable
Here's proof Adam & Eve were Jewish (since Jesus was Jewish)
1. God
2. Adam
3. Seth
4. Enosh
5. Cainain
6. Mahalalel
7. Jared
8. Enoch
9. Methuselah
10. Lamech
11. Noah
12. Shem
13. Arphaxad
14. Cainan
15. Shelah
16. Eber
17. Peleg
18. Reu
19. Serug
20. Nahor
21. Terah
22. Abraham
23. Isaac
24. Jacob
25. Judah
26. Pharez
27. Hezron
28. Ram
29. Amminadab
30. Nahshon
31. Salmon
32. Boaz
33. Obed
34. Jesse
35. David
36. Nathan
37. Mattatha
38. Menna
39. Melea
40. Eliakim
41. Jonam
42. Joseph
43. Judah
44. Simeon
45. Levi
46. Matthat
47. Jorim
48. Eliezer
49. Joshua
50. Er
51. Elmadam
52. Cosam
53. Addi
54. Melchi
55. Neri
56. Shealtiel
57. Zerubbabel
58. Rhesa
59. Joanan
60. Joda
61. Josech
62. Semein
63. Mattathias
64. Mahath
65. Naggai
66. Hesli
67. Nahum
68. Amos
69. Mattathias
70. Joseph
71. Jannai
72. Melchi
73. Levi
74. Matthat
75. Eli
76. Mary
77. Jesus
Because in any civilized society you need a governing body to instill order among its people. I guess that's also what religion does.
Do you understand sarcasm? Or are you just that dense?
You are so wrong. In science everything is based on observations, and experiments. These tell the HOW.
Then there are theories which are based on those observations and experiments, they try to explain the WHY.
Sure theories can be proven wrong, when new evidence appears.
You can't say the same about religion. Religion is basically about something intangible that you can't prove or disprove, that's why atheists are as stupid as mindless worshippers.
You cannot say that there isn't a God since it's unprovable.
The best approach is that you can say you don't know if there is a God, but you don't believe there is one.
Ontopic:
Why would you want to defeat religion? I don't see the point.
Science is a means to find truth, not truth itself.
Okay? I don't see what they have to do with me, One does not need to believe in some invisible imaginary man that lives in the sky and watches everything you do every moment of every day and who's son will apparently get pissed off if you masturbate to hate people
Wait, you have seen all there is to be seen and know for a fact that there is no such thing as "God"?
TheMagic
06-19-2010, 04:14 AM
Oh yeah Syke, you being an atheist racist is kind of ironic considering the largest racist group in the US is made up of white Christians.
Okay? I don't see what they have to do with me, One does not need to believe in some invisible imaginary man that lives in the sky and watches everything you do every moment of every day and who's son will apparently get pissed off if you masturbate to hate people
Wait, you have seen all there is to be seen and know for a fact that there is no such thing as "God"?
Here's my way of thinking:
Good questions. However unfortunately as a typical religious and mindless person you are dismissing the fact that not having answers to something only proves that we have yet to discover the answers.
Unfortunately none of the Earth religions provide any kind of verifiable answer.
Syke said something about this before, something like:
"We'll never know what happened before the Big Bang because humans were never there."
Same with Christianity, nobody alive on Earth will ever know it's true until they die.
22diehard22
06-19-2010, 04:46 AM
Ah the bible..... lifes greatest entertainment.
Syke said something about this before, something like:
"We'll never know what happened before the Big Bang because humans were never there."
Same with Christianity, nobody alive on Earth will ever know it's true until they die.
I said this yes, but I meant for the same reason it is impossible to travel at the speed of light (exactly 186,000 miles per second) it just cannot happen. With enough research we could find find out what was going on 0.0000001 second after the big bang but not before it.
I said this yes, but I meant for the same reason it is impossible to travel at the speed of light (exactly 186,000 miles per second) it just cannot happen. With enough research we could find find out what was going on 0.0000001 second after the big bang but not before it.
We can't "travel" at the speed of light because we haven't found a means to do something similar yet. Many have theorized that we can just bend space to do so, but nothing about traveling at the speed of light is set in stone yet.
dfighter
06-19-2010, 04:08 PM
Science is a means to find truth, not truth itself.
It's both. The scientific methods are the means, and the facts and theories "produced" my research are the truth.
Ofc obviously science can only examine and experiment on tangible things.
We can't "travel" at the speed of light because we haven't found a means to do something similar yet. Many have theorized that we can just bend space to do so, but nothing about traveling at the speed of light is set in stone yet.
To our knowledge we can't travel at the speed of light because it would require infinite energy.
Which is obviously non-producible by *ANY* means.
Hence why research goes towards alternative methods of travel. If you think about it traveling with the speed of light is nowhere near enough. The nearest star Alpha Centaury is 4.3 lightyears away, meaning you'd have to travel for 4.3 years with the speed of light.
EDIT:
I mean used to go towards, since the Bush cabinet ceased funding the NASA breakthrough physics program.
We can't "travel" at the speed of light because we haven't found a means to do something similar yet. Many have theorized that we can just bend space to do so, but nothing about traveling at the speed of light is set in stone yet.
The laws of physics will not allow anything to travel at the speed of light. If there was a train traveling at exactly 186,000 miles per second forward, and one of the passengers got up and began moving toward the front of the train that persons walking speed would be added to the speed of the train thus breaking the barrier of 186,000 miles per second.
Arnold Schwarzenegger
06-19-2010, 07:38 PM
Simple answer: The Hitler Theory, kill them all.
TheMagic
06-19-2010, 09:45 PM
It's true the speed of light cannot be reached (The speed of light btw is 670,616,629 mph) but you could not reach speeds even of about 500,000,000 mph. The G-force would crush the person, the max a person could stand is 161ft/s2
mattatheos
06-20-2010, 05:27 AM
lol i thought this was a thread bashing religion not debating light travel theory thingies O.o
if Christinaity hadn't come along, some other kind of hostile religion would have. All Christinaity and all those other similar religions did was go into Pagan civilizations and undermine their normal way of life by any means necessary, and yes I mean ANY means necessary. Many Christians converted the people they thought were savages by burning down their towns and hurting them. Christianity has so much blood on it's hands that you'd think it was wearing red gloves or something
lol i thought this was a thread bashing religion not debating light travel theory thingies O.o
if Christinaity hadn't come along, some other kind of hostile religion would have. All Christinaity and all those other similar religions did was go into Pagan civilizations and undermine their normal way of life by any means necessary, and yes I mean ANY means necessary. Many Christians converted the people they thought were savages by burning down their towns and hurting them. Christianity has so much blood on it's hands that you'd think it was wearing red gloves or something
It's not religion itself that did this, it's the people practicing the religion.
Even if the hurting was done in the name of the religion it's not the religions fault.
People who wants to hurt someone will always find a reason that makes their cause just, with or without religion.
dfighter
06-20-2010, 03:57 PM
"...and those who are prideful and refuse to bow, should be laid low, and made unto dust."
mattatheos
06-20-2010, 04:07 PM
"...and those who are prideful and refuse to bow, should be laid low, and made unto dust."
see? almost every religious text says somewhere that if you don't believe what they preach that you are a blasphemous slug that needs to be killed. Isn't that what the Muslim's Jihad is about? Killing those that do not convert to their Islamic religion?
Isn't that what the Muslim's Jihad is about? Killing those that do not convert to their Islamic religion?
No.
mattatheos
06-20-2010, 04:11 PM
No.
really? cause they seem to call us infidels whenever they address us
As far as I know, jihad is described in the koran as the right to defend yourself when you are attacked.
It's the people who needs to justify their cause that use jihad as an excuse to kill innocent people.
mattatheos
06-20-2010, 04:28 PM
yes that is true but as far as I know they find people who do not believe what they believe to be an attack against themselves and their religion
TheMagic
06-20-2010, 04:30 PM
Many Christians converted the people they thought were savages by burning down their towns and hurting them. Christianity has so much blood on it's hands that you'd think it was wearing red gloves or something
This is true but not every church did this, it was mostly done by the United Kingdom/Church of England and the Romans (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecution_of_religion_in_ancient_Rome#Under_Cons tantine.27s_sons.2C_337_-_361).
mattatheos
06-20-2010, 04:35 PM
and aren't they some of the top dogs of the whole Christian/Catholic thing?
dfighter
06-20-2010, 04:51 PM
see? almost every religious text says somewhere that if you don't believe what they preach that you are a blasphemous slug that needs to be killed. Isn't that what the Muslim's Jihad is about? Killing those that do not convert to their Islamic religion?
It was a quote from Stargate SG1.
As far as I know, jihad is described in the koran as the right to defend yourself when you are attacked.
It's the people who needs to justify their cause that use jihad as an excuse to kill innocent people.
Jihad is the right to kill the infidels who occupy your land and prohibit you from worshiping Allah. It's a religious holy war, kind of an anti-crusade.
This is true but not every church did this, it was mostly done by the United Kingdom/Church of England and the Romans (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecution_of_religion_in_ancient_Rome#Under_Cons tantine.27s_sons.2C_337_-_361).
Christianity was spread by force. After the Roman Empire fell emperors/kings/etc realized the power of Christianity as a means to control people. That's why.
A means to control people... And that is why I call most Christians brainwashed and delusional. It's no different then the cult Charles Manson formed except on a larger scale. If the bible told people they had to kill themselves after their 45th birthday or something there would be a hell of a lot people dying at the age of 45. Equally so if the bible didn't say murder was wrong and instead told them to murder anyone they please then the murder rate would be through the roof.
mattatheos
06-20-2010, 06:38 PM
i completely and totally agree with you! what is a religion but a giant, wide-spread cult? I'm not sure if there is even a difference besides the size and acceptability O.o
I can't remember where I read this but I found to be spot on.
Cult - Small, non-popular religion.
Religion - Large, popular cult.
EDIT: I found this just now, I have to say it's quite hilarious. Those Christians never fail to get things completely wrong.
http://img.chan4chan.com/img/2010-05-24/1274725353239.jpg
TheMagic
06-21-2010, 06:10 AM
A means to control people... And that is why I call most Christians brainwashed and delusional. It's no different then the cult Charles Manson formed except on a larger scale. If the bible told people they had to kill themselves after their 45th birthday or something there would be a hell of a lot people dying at the age of 45. Equally so if the bible didn't say murder was wrong and instead told them to murder anyone they please then the murder rate would be through the roof.
What gives you your conscious then? Who's to say what's right and what's wrong? If it wasn't for Christianity people would behave just like animals and have no conscious at all. Certainly you must think for example killing children is wrong, if we were animals (I know.. I know.. Homo sapiens, taxonomy etc..) if something annoyed you would just kill it.
What gives me a conscious? The way I was brought up by my parents... I know that killing someone is wrong but that doesn't deter me, I'd just rather not be in prison.
Essentially, I know the difference between right or wrong but I just don't give a shit. If I could murder someone and not go to jail or even be arrested for it you better believe I'd kill the next person who pissed me off, I'd also go around stealing cars or selling drugs to make some money. Hell I used to deal in the past but the only reason I stopped is because my girlfriend threatened to end the relationship.....
TheMagic
06-21-2010, 06:37 AM
I don't think most people would go out and kill someone even if there wasn't any consequences
Just a thought =p
I never said most people would, I said I would and then I'd go home and sleep like a baby. I don't see why everyone has such an issue with taking a human life, they are animals just as a deer or a cow, at least a human knows why they are going to die. Jeez I sound like a psychotic murderer.
>.>
xtavie
06-21-2010, 04:26 PM
Syke, PM me, I know the number of an amazing therapist.
All you saying that the government should prohibit practice of religion, I say that the government should prohibit the belief of atheism. Nice job contradicting yourselves. GF.
Atheism is a non-belief. We don't worship anything or even have some stupid book dictating the way our lives should be lived, so it's not a practice or belief, it's a refusal to believe some ridiculous shit that people seem to not worry about proving if they want the Atheists to shut up so badly.
And I never said I wanted religious practice to be outlawed, that's unconstitutional, I said it should be illegal to publically practice it and broadcast it over every public forum humanly possible. Every where I turn, shitty christian music CDs, christians bible humping on the radio and the TV, more of them advertising shit on billboards, for fucks sake we even have assholes around here who walk down the street passing out fliers.
The money too, "In God we trust" I don't trust something that doesn't exist sorry. And the pledge to the flag "one nation under god" our nation isn't under someone who doesn't exist, more so it's a little arrogant to say this 'god' fellow only gives a flying shit about the USA, what about Canada, Germany, Scotland, Ireland and every other country on this planet? According to christians their god created the whole universe, so out of billions of stars and planets he just picks 1 country, on 1 planet, in 1 galaxy to watch over every second of every day until the end of time?
There are so many holes in religion you'd think it was sitting at the business end of an MG42 with a massive stockpile of ammunition for a few weeks of continuous fire.
mattatheos
06-21-2010, 07:40 PM
religion doesn't give us our ethics and morals necessarily but it does help, it mostly just tells us what is right and wrong and for an answer they say "because God said so." That might work for most people but some of us need better reasons for determining right and wrong and that is why we have government, to set up a system of punishments when something is done that is considered morally or ethically wrong. Like Syke said, most people don't refrain from doing something because a book told them not to, they stop themselves because they don't want a fine or community service or jail time or worse.
and what syke said too about christianity in our money and allegiance to the flag is also true. Our government seems to be set up so that you have the freedom to practice your religion as long as it is Christianity or similar. Cults and smaller religions are constantly looked down upon and criticized and are even stopped by outsiders who think that just because others are not believing what they believe that those other people must be misguided and wrong. The only difference between the burning of Pagan villages of old and the putting down of smaller religions of today is that today it is considered a normal practice and even thought of as a serivce to the community to root out cults etc.
It's both. The scientific methods are the means, and the facts and theories "produced" my research are the truth.
Ofc obviously science can only examine and experiment on tangible things.
Science is the means to find truth, but no, it is not the truth itself. Truth is by itself.
The laws of physics will not allow anything to travel at the speed of light. If there was a train traveling at exactly 186,000 miles per second forward, and one of the passengers got up and began moving toward the front of the train that persons walking speed would be added to the speed of the train thus breaking the barrier of 186,000 miles per second.
You notice how I used travel in quotes? That meant I didn't use it in the 100% literal sense. There has been plenty of theories about moving from place to place at the speed of light. Like taking the space all around you and moving it through other space. But, again, it is a theory.
I can't remember where I read this but I found to be spot on.
Cult - Small, non-popular religion.
Religion - Large, popular cult.
EDIT: I found this just now, I have to say it's quite hilarious. Those Christians never fail to get things completely wrong.
http://img.chan4chan.com/img/2010-05-24/1274725353239.jpg
1 a : the state of a religious <a nun in her 20th year of religion> b (1) : the service and worship of God or the supernatural (2) : commitment or devotion to religious faith or observance
2 : a personal set or institutionalized system of religious attitudes, beliefs, and practices
3 archaic : scrupulous conformity : conscientiousness
4 : a cause, principle, or system of beliefs held to with ardor and faith
4chan isn't a dictionary, you shouldn't be such a tool to believe so.
xtavie
06-22-2010, 01:53 AM
Syke, It's impossible to have a non-belief, you are technically believing that God doesn't exist. Therefore you're following a belief.
On the matter of Christianity being "shoved down your throat". Have you ever walked down Broadway in Manhattan, New York? Everywhere you turn there's someone passing out fliers and pamphlets promoting either sex, atheism, or something along those lines. Atheist beliefs are being pushed on society from every corner, youth are being constantly bombarded by the media, their so-called "role models", and even in music, to believe in what's thought of as being right by society. Kind of reminds me how it was taught by society not so long ago, that owning another human being as property was not wrong.
Christians need to stop being used as scapegoats to push your atheist agenda on the world.
mattatheos
06-22-2010, 03:58 AM
How in the world is the media pushing Atheist beliefs on today's youth? By not promoting Christianity? I guess that has been the religious mind set for years, "if your not with us your a devil-worshipping anti-christ that should be stoned and spat on."
I'll agree with you that modern society is promoting drugs, alcohol and sex but those three things are poor moral choices not the cornerstones of Atheist beliefs. Just because they are bad doesn't make them Atheist practices and just because they aren't Christian fundamentals doesn't make them Atheist fundamentals.
Syke, It's impossible to have a non-belief, you are technically believing that God doesn't exist. Therefore you're following a belief.
On the matter of Christianity being "shoved down your throat". Have you ever walked down Broadway in Manhattan, New York? Everywhere you turn there's someone passing out fliers and pamphlets promoting either sex, atheism, or something along those lines. Atheist beliefs are being pushed on society from every corner, youth are being constantly bombarded by the media, their so-called "role models", and even in music, to believe in what's thought of as being right by society. Kind of reminds me how it was taught by society not so long ago, that owning another human being as property was not wrong.
Christians need to stop being used as scapegoats to push your atheist agenda on the world.
Nice try turning this around on Atheists. If christians can push their shit at every turn Atheists have just as much a right to push our 'beliefs' too, it's arrogant to think that only christians are allowed to promote what they think but when an Atheist tries to do it's absolutely the worst thing that ever happened.
How in the world is the media pushing Atheist beliefs on today's youth? By not promoting Christianity? I guess that has been the religious mind set for years, "if your not with us your a devil-worshipping anti-christ that should be stoned and spat on."
I'll agree with you that modern society is promoting drugs, alcohol and sex but those three things are poor moral choices not the cornerstones of Atheist beliefs. Just because they are bad doesn't make them Atheist practices and just because they aren't Christian fundamentals doesn't make them Atheist fundamentals.
I agree with this 100%
How in the world is the media pushing Atheist beliefs on today's youth? By not promoting Christianity? I guess that has been the religious mind set for years, "if your not with us your a devil-worshipping anti-christ that should be stoned and spat on."
I'll agree with you that modern society is promoting drugs, alcohol and sex but those three things are poor moral choices not the cornerstones of Atheist beliefs. Just because they are bad doesn't make them Atheist practices and just because they aren't Christian fundamentals doesn't make them Atheist fundamentals.
I don't know what religion you believe is like that, but I haven't felt like that. The problem seems that most people still believe Christianity is the same as it was way back during the Crusades and back when Catholicism was the only Christianity. This is very untrue now.
mattatheos
06-22-2010, 08:17 PM
Christianity constantly pushes their belief system on other people, what are you talking about?
And of course you wouldn't feel like Christianity and such are pushing their beliefs down your throat because you already believe what they believe.
Christianity constantly pushes their belief system on other people, what are you talking about?
And of course you wouldn't feel like Christianity and such are pushing their beliefs down your throat because you already believe what they believe.
Catholics push it, but for the most part, Christians sadly keep to themselves since we live in an uptight world that could shit diamonds. This isn't the 1800's anymore.
Inevitable
06-23-2010, 03:09 PM
Why do so many people hate religion? Yes, it can be used to stir shit up. It has been used as a justification for murder, hatred, segregation, etc... but it is meant to be a good thing. I myself, hate no one. Even if you hate me because of who I am, what I believe, what I do, etc... I don't hate you because it's pointless to live a life a hate. It's very time consuming and brings a lot of stress. But bottom line, who cares if you can't prove it? Religion gives people hope that they'll have something after death. I personally believe in the Christian God, but I do not believe the Bible (Old Testament part) is God's word.) I believe that all you have to do is love to be a "Christian". I too, get annoyed by the Bible Humpers in every part of the world that spread "the word of God" when it's nothing but hatred and disgusting bigotry.
Why do so many people hate religion? Yes, it can be used to stir shit up. It has been used as a justification for murder, hatred, segregation, etc... but it is meant to be a good thing. I myself, hate no one. Even if you hate me because of who I am, what I believe, what I do, etc... I don't hate you because it's pointless to live a life a hate. It's very time consuming and brings a lot of stress. But bottom line, who cares if you can't prove it? Religion gives people hope that they'll have something after death. I personally believe in the Christian God, but I do not believe the Bible (Old Testament part) is God's word.) I believe that all you have to do is love to be a "Christian". I too, get annoyed by the Bible Humpers in every part of the world that spread "the word of God" when it's nothing but hatred and disgusting bigotry.
Lots of other things have been justification for murder, hatred, segregation, etc. And by the looks of this thread, everyone thinks religion means Christianity. Which makes this thread even more useless.
xtavie
06-23-2010, 04:36 PM
Atheists have just as much a right to push our 'beliefs' too,
I thought you said Atheism is non-belief. You just contradicted yourself, again. Also, you just admitted Atheists push their beliefs, another contradiction to what you've previously said. GF
mattatheos
06-23-2010, 05:02 PM
He didn't contradict himself and heres why:
1: the word belief is in quotation marks so it doesn't necessarily mean beliefs as much as like principles or whatever
2: he said Atheists have the right to push our "beliefs" on other people not that we do, Cristianity and Catholicism put down other religions and ways of thinking before we even are able to push them on other people. He is saying that we have the right to because apparently you have the right to, all he is saying is that this is a two-way street so move over. >.>
I thought you said Atheism is non-belief. You just contradicted yourself, again. Also, you just admitted Atheists push their beliefs, another contradiction to what you've previously said. GF
Learn the English language please. I admitted to nothing and did not contradict myself. I put the quotation marks on beliefs for a reason it's meant to be said/read sarcastically. But I'd really like you to point where I said Atheists were pushing our 'beliefs' (notice the quotation marks again) on other 24/7, what? You can't? I didn't think so, because I didn't. I stated that if Christians have the right to push what they think on others so do Atheists, you know, freedom of speech and all that.
The knife cuts both ways.
He didn't contradict himself and heres why:
1: the word belief is in quotation marks so it doesn't necessarily mean beliefs as much as like principles or whatever
2: he said Atheists have the right to push our "beliefs" on other people not that we do, Cristianity and Catholicism put down other religions and ways of thinking before we even are able to push them on other people. He is saying that we have the right to because apparently you have the right to, all he is saying is that this is a two-way street so move over. >.>
I like you. +rep to you my good man.
mattatheos
06-23-2010, 10:40 PM
Lots of other things have been justification for murder, hatred, segregation, etc. And by the looks of this thread, everyone thinks religion means Christianity. Which makes this thread even more useless.
Christianity is one of the biggest and most popular religions so it makes sense that when people say religion that Christianity pops into their head >.>
Christianity is one of the biggest and most popular religions so it makes sense that when people say religion that Christianity pops into their head >.>
That is correct, but with all the scattered ideas about Christianity, many being inaccurate in today's world, and that this thread is about all religion and not just Christianity, it has become just another "ZOMFG CHRISTIANITY IS RONG, THEIR IZ NO GOD!!!!21111!!" thread, it doesn't even belong in intellectual discussion. We might as well be talking about what QQRofl looks like.
Then we shall discuss Catholicism.
Catholic priests are pedophiles and the res of them can't keep it in their pants so they have 90 kids to further pollute the world with their insane ritualistic religion who go off the bible but ironically enough worship the Virgin Mary.
All religions are stupid, Christianity included. That one just comes under fire the most because more than anyone else they constantly try to shove it down everyone's neck with billboard advertising, and TV shows on a ton of channels and selling their shitty gospel music. When's the last time you saw the sheer volume of Jewish content all over the place that Christians plaster in every nook and cranny possible?
D3m0n1x
06-24-2010, 09:47 PM
Then we shall discuss Catholicism.
Catholic priests are pedophiles and the res of them can't keep it in their pants so they have 90 kids to further pollute the world with their insane ritualistic religion who go off the bible but ironically enough worship the Virgin Mary.
All religions are stupid, Christianity included. That one just comes under fire the most because more than anyone else they constantly try to shove it down everyone's neck with billboard advertising, and TV shows on a ton of channels and selling their shitty gospel music. When's the last time you saw the sheer volume of Jewish content all over the place that Christians plaster in every nook and cranny possible?
That is such a selective thought, yes the Catholic religion is absolutely corrupt, and actually goes against the Bible, but not every priest is a pedophile, if you saw a priest walking would you assume he wanted to rape or molest a child?
Then we shall discuss Catholicism.
Catholic priests are pedophiles and the res of them can't keep it in their pants so they have 90 kids to further pollute the world with their insane ritualistic religion who go off the bible but ironically enough worship the Virgin Mary.
All religions are stupid, Christianity included. That one just comes under fire the most because more than anyone else they constantly try to shove it down everyone's neck with billboard advertising, and TV shows on a ton of channels and selling their shitty gospel music. When's the last time you saw the sheer volume of Jewish content all over the place that Christians plaster in every nook and cranny possible?
Someone got raped by a Catholic priest.
Someone got raped by a Catholic priest.
That is such a selective thought, yes the Catholic religion is absolutely corrupt, and actually goes against the Bible, but not every priest is a pedophile, if you saw a priest walking would you assume he wanted to rape or molest a child?
You guys took that way too seriously, I only said any stereotypical thing I could think of and what little I know about Catholicism because expo said when someone says the word religion everyone instantly trains the sights of their flame throwers on Christianity, I only have ever known 1 Catholic person in my life and he's actually pretty normal.
The only part about that post I intended to be taken seriously was the "all religions are stupid" paragraph.
dfighter
06-25-2010, 02:02 AM
Well the guy in the movie "40 year old virgin" is lucky compared to a catholic priest, for sure.
mattatheos
06-25-2010, 05:21 AM
Catholics push it, but for the most part, Christians sadly keep to themselves since we live in an uptight world that could shit diamonds. This isn't the 1800's anymore.
You seem to always say this and you are right, this isn't the 1800's anymore, it's the 2000's. The only thing that has changed with religion (and by religion, yeah, I'm talking mostly about the leading religions of Christianity and Catholicism) in that time is how they maipulate and control their followers and how they deal with non-believers. Religion has an uncanny way of being whatever a seeker is searching for and for destroying competition within the confines of the law. It may not be the 1800's anymore but the game religion plays is still the same even though the way they play it has changed.
For example:
By using the media to spread their message, a religion actually brain-washes the viewers and recipients into favoring their religion. By constantly blaring that their way is the right way they also say that every other way is the wrong way. By fighting a battle using psychological approaches within the confines of the law rather then the physical means they used in 1800's, religions undermine and destroy other religions just like they did back in the good ol' days.
You guys took that way too seriously, I only said any stereotypical thing I could think of and what little I know about Catholicism because expo said when someone says the word religion everyone instantly trains the sights of their flame throwers on Christianity, I only have ever known 1 Catholic person in my life and he's actually pretty normal.
The only part about that post I intended to be taken seriously was the "all religions are stupid" paragraph.
You really can't grasp sarcasm. I don't think I could have made it any more obvious.
You seem to always say this and you are right, this isn't the 1800's anymore, it's the 2000's. The only thing that has changed with religion (and by religion, yeah, I'm talking mostly about the leading religions of Christianity and Catholicism) in that time is how they maipulate and control their followers and how they deal with non-believers. Religion has an uncanny way of being whatever a seeker is searching for and for destroying competition within the confines of the law. It may not be the 1800's anymore but the game religion plays is still the same even though the way they play it has changed.
For example:
By using the media to spread their message, a religion actually brain-washes the viewers and recipients into favoring their religion. By constantly blaring that their way is the right way they also say that every other way is the wrong way. By fighting a battle using psychological approaches within the confines of the law rather then the physical means they used in 1800's, religions undermine and destroy other religions just like they did back in the good ol' days.
Catholicism is Christianity. I'd also like to point out that every part of your life is manipulated by other people. It isn't limited to big bad religion brainwashing people. Have you ever noticed that science, education, etc have done this as well. Why do you think they teach evolution in school and never permit creationism? Because science convinced them to. Even though creationism and evolution are equally vague theories.
Media also bashes religion saying it is a bunch of crazy white rednecks drinking beer and raping children. But, that is just media being media. Science does the same thing. So does politics. Your point is moot because you are picking religion when the same tactics are used all over the place. Have you realized that other religions undermine Christianity as well? Maybe the overgrowing Muslim faith for example? What about other more neutral religions like Hinduism or Buddhism? What about science saying religion is wrong?
Hell, science might as well be a cult because people act the same way as they would a religion. See Syke for evidence. He defends every tiny thing science has to say like it is the almighty truth.
Scientology is a cult, does that count?
But I'd rather defend a scientific theory with at least some evidence backing it, maybe even 2 or so observations with no experimentation, over a book that says "this is what happened because an infinitely powerful invisible man in the sky willed it to be so. No, I don't have proof but this book here says it happened so fuck you, it happened and if you don't think so I will continue to beat you over the head with it until you believe it, or you beat the life out of me to make me shut up".
I'm open to a scientific theory being false, and religion in fact, being the winner of the battle. All I ask is that religion is proven beyond reproach, that means every aspect of it not just some. Jesus may very well have been a real human being, just maybe not who everyone believes him to be.
mattatheos
06-25-2010, 07:24 PM
Catholicism is Christianity. I'd also like to point out that every part of your life is manipulated by other people. It isn't limited to big bad religion brainwashing people. Have you ever noticed that science, education, etc have done this as well. Why do you think they teach evolution in school and never permit creationism? Because science convinced them to. Even though creationism and evolution are equally vague theories.
Media also bashes religion saying it is a bunch of crazy white rednecks drinking beer and raping children. But, that is just media being media. Science does the same thing. So does politics. Your point is moot because you are picking religion when the same tactics are used all over the place. Have you realized that other religions undermine Christianity as well? Maybe the overgrowing Muslim faith for example? What about other more neutral religions like Hinduism or Buddhism? What about science saying religion is wrong?
Hell, science might as well be a cult because people act the same way as they would a religion. See Syke for evidence. He defends every tiny thing science has to say like it is the almighty truth.
Yes I realize that other institutions control life but this is a thread about religion so obviously I'm going to talk about religion. If you want to point out how politics and government control our lives then start a thread and I'll see you there, ok?
You seem to jump pretty quickly on the fact that schools and the media promote other religions besdies Christianity, and I realize that to most religious people anything that isn't in favor of their religion must naturally be bad. I believe there was a post in one of these two threads that stated that both sides of the religion v. science debate are present in the school system and that is completely true. Religion and religious theory is presented in Literature and Theology based classes whereas scientific theory is presented in science classes. So don't go shouting that the school is putting you down when most schools present both sides of the debate and don't go saying that science is out there to put down religion at every turn and is manipulating the world for thousands of years cause it isn't. Like I said, if you want this to be a debate over how science or other things control our life then start a new thread but in this one I'll continue to talk about religion if you don't mind.
Scientology is a cult, does that count?
But I'd rather defend a scientific theory with at least some evidence backing it, maybe even 2 or so observations with no experimentation, over a book that says "this is what happened because an infinitely powerful invisible man in the sky willed it to be so. No, I don't have proof but this book here says it happened so fuck you, it happened and if you don't think so I will continue to beat you over the head with it until you believe it, or you beat the life out of me to make me shut up".
I'm open to a scientific theory being false, and religion in fact, being the winner of the battle. All I ask is that religion is proven beyond reproach, that means every aspect of it not just some. Jesus may very well have been a real human being, just maybe not who everyone believes him to be.
Like religion, science has holes and unproven theories. What make sense now, doesn't necessarily mean it will always make sense.
Yes I realize that other institutions control life but this is a thread about religion so obviously I'm going to talk about religion. If you want to point out how politics and government control our lives then start a thread and I'll see you there, ok?
You seem to jump pretty quickly on the fact that schools and the media promote other religions besdies Christianity, and I realize that to most religious people anything that isn't in favor of their religion must naturally be bad. I believe there was a post in one of these two threads that stated that both sides of the religion v. science debate are present in the school system and that is completely true. Religion and religious theory is presented in Literature and Theology based classes whereas scientific theory is presented in science classes. So don't go shouting that the school is putting you down when most schools present both sides of the debate and don't go saying that science is out there to put down religion at every turn and is manipulating the world for thousands of years cause it isn't. Like I said, if you want this to be a debate over how science or other things control our life then start a new thread but in this one I'll continue to talk about religion if you don't mind.
I was stating that you were using a board idea, but narrowing it to religion. I was trying to add input to your opinion so you didn't misinform people. But if you would rather me not do such, you can keep misinforming people and discrediting yourself.
Did you know many schools in the US have tried to add a class about the Muslim faith to the curriculum as an elective? About science and religion, scientific theory and scientific fact have been mixed up into 1 class. They are not clearly separated as they should be. You know how much schools talk about religion, extremely little. And of religion, it is mostly cramped up into 6 sections in a 2 day period. I remember my teachers having to tiptoe around the fucking kids's feelings to keep from offending anyone by saying anything about religion. News Flash: Religion is in society. You seem to be quite unhappy that I am voicing my opinion, and yet you seem to be turning this thread from religion, to Christianity, then going as far as saying its fake just because you don't like it. I am currently speaking about religion, and even if I add some content about science, guess what? It is still part of the conversation. If you don't like it, leave the thread, but you aren't going to make me make a new thread because you are pissed off about me typing here.
I was stating that you were using a board idea, but narrowing it to religion. I was trying to add input to your opinion so you didn't misinform people. But if you would rather me not do such, you can keep misinforming people and discrediting yourself.
Did you know many schools in the US have tried to add a class about the Muslim faith to the curriculum as an elective? About science and religion, scientific theory and scientific fact have been mixed up into 1 class. They are not clearly separated as they should be. You know how much schools talk about religion, extremely little. And of religion, it is mostly cramped up into 6 sections in a 2 day period. I remember my teachers having to tiptoe around the fucking kids's feelings to keep from offending anyone by saying anything about religion. News Flash: Religion is in society. You seem to be quite unhappy that I am voicing my opinion, and yet you seem to be turning this thread from religion, to Christianity, then going as far as saying its fake just because you don't like it. I am currently speaking about religion, and even if I add some content about science, guess what? It is still part of the conversation. If you don't like it, leave the thread, but you aren't going to make me make a new thread because you are pissed off about me typing here.
Have you ever heard of the separation of Church and State? Most religious people I speak to believe that it was added to the constitution to protect the church but they also fail to realize as with every other scenario the knife cuts both ways.
Just because we have a bit in the US constitution stating the government may not impose upon ones right to practice any religion they please freely they also seem to think that because no one can do anything about it they can run around doing the shit Atheists are constantly getting annoyed with.
Sure we can't tell you that you aren't allowed to practice a religion but then why the hell is it okay for the religious people to turn right around and being preaching what they think to every last human being that thinks differently then they do?
Separation of Church and State isn't a two way mirror, it's a brick wall, but everyone seems to forget that. If all religious people could abide by this then there would be far less bickering amongst the two parties and at every other turn you wouldn't see a publicized battle in the war that is Religion vs Science and there sure as wouldn't be as many brainwashing ad-campaigns by Christians (yeah yeah, thread about Christians and all that but I don't see Jews or Catholics with their own TV shows/stations).
Have you ever heard of the separation of Church and State? Most religious people I speak to believe that it was added to the constitution to protect the church but they also fail to realize as with every other scenario the knife cuts both ways.
Just because we have a bit in the US constitution stating the government may not impose upon ones right to practice any religion they please freely they also seem to think that because no one can do anything about it they can run around doing the shit Atheists are constantly getting annoyed with.
Sure we can't tell you that you aren't allowed to practice a religion but then why the hell is it okay for the religious people to turn right around and being preaching what they think to every last human being that thinks differently then they do?
Separation of Church and State isn't a two way mirror, it's a brick wall, but everyone seems to forget that. If all religious people could abide by this then there would be far less bickering amongst the two parties and at every other turn you wouldn't see a publicized battle in the war that is Religion vs Science and there sure as wouldn't be as many brainwashing ad-campaigns by Christians (yeah yeah, thread about Christians and all that but I don't see Jews or Catholics with their own TV shows/stations).
Actually, I have. You most love to speak to radical religious people, and fail to speak to any other type.
Many people dislike what other people do. It isn't confined to religion.
Freedom of speech, kid. Learn it.
Actually, even if religious people cooled off, the science community would still keep trying to pick a fight and say religion is wrong. It is what they do. Its funny how you use a flash word like brainwashing, and yet it is perfectly ok to teach evolution as if it is fact when it is merely opinion in reality.
silver
06-29-2010, 01:33 PM
Religion fail big time - End of topic
dfighter
06-29-2010, 03:29 PM
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Actually, I have. You most love to speak to radical religious people, and fail to speak to any other type.
Many people dislike what other people do. It isn't confined to religion.
Freedom of speech, kid. Learn it.
Actually, even if religious people cooled off, the science community would still keep trying to pick a fight and say religion is wrong. It is what they do. Its funny how you use a flash word like brainwashing, and yet it is perfectly ok to teach evolution as if it is fact when it is merely opinion in reality.
All religious people are radical, if they weren't then they wouldn't be religious. Similar to how if they were actually logical or reasonable they wouldn't be religious. It's just to what extent they are radical.
But, I know what freedom of speech is thanks, that's what sparked the separation of Church and State in a letter to Thomas Jefferson in 1802. But while it's true the entire world will never agree on the same thing you seem to be trying to deflect the argument and use the human race as a whole as your backing argument. Last I checked this thread was about religion and not society as a whole.
What else would you expect the scientific community to do? They are out to find the answers and until such time they aren't just going to give up. Except I wasn't talking about science vs. religion, I was talking about Atheists vs. religion. If the Christians and everyone else just shut the hell up about their god and what they think Atheists would stop telling their full of shit.
The only reason there is this war is because religious people (mainly the Christians) refuse to stop broadcasting what they think in every public forum they can find, if they should just shut up for once then most Atheists would stop. I for one would never say another word about how religion is stupid unless someone else brings up the subject first.
mattatheos
06-29-2010, 08:14 PM
If the Christians and everyone else just shut the hell up about their god and what they think Atheists would stop telling their full of shit.
The only reason there is this war is because religious people (mainly the Christians) refuse to stop broadcasting what they think in every public forum they can find, if they should just shut up for once then most Atheists would stop.
It's true, Christians have so many radio programs and television stations preaching their message to anyone that will listen. They are constantly forcing their beliefs on other people and if they can't do that then they think Big Bad Science is out to bring them down and is corrupting their schools and society. Just because science classes teach that there is evidence of evolution and spends maybe a week on it doesn't mean they have to pull out the Bible and preach the whole creationism bullshit. Christianity is constantly trying to undermine and destroy their competitors and those they see as threads, they did it back when they first started up and they do it now with war and propangada. In fact, in Fargo, North Dakota, an Atheist was not allowed to get a license plate saying "NO GOD" even though other people can get license plates saying "ILUVGOD" or similar ones. The man runs a radio program for Atheists that counters the constant religious stream of brainwashing and he is constantly under attack by religious people who say he is an anti-christ that is here to bring Hell to Earth and corrupt the youth of America. That seems kinda extreme to me, all he is doing is preaching his opinions and beliefs but because it's not the same as Christianity beliefs and opinions, it's considered devil worship.
All religious people are radical, if they weren't then they wouldn't be religious. Similar to how if they were actually logical or reasonable they wouldn't be religious. It's just to what extent they are radical.
But, I know what freedom of speech is thanks, that's what sparked the separation of Church and State in a letter to Thomas Jefferson in 1802. But while it's true the entire world will never agree on the same thing you seem to be trying to deflect the argument and use the human race as a whole as your backing argument. Last I checked this thread was about religion and not society as a whole.
What else would you expect the scientific community to do? They are out to find the answers and until such time they aren't just going to give up. Except I wasn't talking about science vs. religion, I was talking about Atheists vs. religion. If the Christians and everyone else just shut the hell up about their god and what they think Atheists would stop telling their full of shit.
The only reason there is this war is because religious people (mainly the Christians) refuse to stop broadcasting what they think in every public forum they can find, if they should just shut up for once then most Atheists would stop. I for one would never say another word about how religion is stupid unless someone else brings up the subject first.
If religion is radical, so would science, among other things.
Religion is part of society. Rejecting this is just plain arrogant.
So you are just going to say it is all of religion to take responsibility for someone else because they aren't capable of this?
Whoa, now the cause for war is religious people. Hey, I bet the reason that there is air is because the sun farted. Lets keep picking random shit and saying one causes the other with zero backing evidence.
It's true, Christians have so many radio programs and television stations preaching their message to anyone that will listen. They are constantly forcing their beliefs on other people and if they can't do that then they think Big Bad Science is out to bring them down and is corrupting their schools and society. Just because science classes teach that there is evidence of evolution and spends maybe a week on it doesn't mean they have to pull out the Bible and preach the whole creationism bullshit. Christianity is constantly trying to undermine and destroy their competitors and those they see as threads, they did it back when they first started up and they do it now with war and propangada. In fact, in Fargo, North Dakota, an Atheist was not allowed to get a license plate saying "NO GOD" even though other people can get license plates saying "ILUVGOD" or similar ones. The man runs a radio program for Atheists that counters the constant religious stream of brainwashing and he is constantly under attack by religious people who say he is an anti-christ that is here to bring Hell to Earth and corrupt the youth of America. That seems kinda extreme to me, all he is doing is preaching his opinions and beliefs but because it's not the same as Christianity beliefs and opinions, it's considered devil worship.
If religion was forcing it's opinions on you like food products, you wouldn't be capable of escaping it. But, guess what? It isn't like that.
Half of what you said is made up horse shit. You have no damn evidence to back it up. And yet you are crying that the big bad religion is a cult group out to brainwash the world. If you wanna cry that religion is doing so, back it up or shut your fucking mouth.
If religion is radical, so would science, among other things.
Religion is part of society. Rejecting this is just plain arrogant.
So you are just going to say it is all of religion to take responsibility for someone else because they aren't capable of this?
Whoa, now the cause for war is religious people. Hey, I bet the reason that there is air is because the sun farted. Lets keep picking random shit and saying one causes the other with zero backing evidence.
I'm not denying religion is part of society, I just don't like that...
It's a two sided war yes, Atheists don't like hearing there is a god without it being proven, and religious people don't like it when Atheists say there isn't a god with no proof. We could sit here an point fingers calling each other fucktards all day long but we wouldn't be getting anywhere.
mattatheos
06-30-2010, 01:03 AM
If religion was forcing it's opinions on you like food products, you wouldn't be capable of escaping it. But, guess what? It isn't like that.
Half of what you said is made up horse shit. You have no damn evidence to back it up. And yet you are crying that the big bad religion is a cult group out to brainwash the world. If you wanna cry that religion is doing so, back it up or shut your fucking mouth.
You think I'm making it up? You want proof? Here's your fucking proof:
Fargo Man and License Plate Story: http://www.wday.com/event/article/id/34055/
Proposition 8
The Holy War
The Salem Witch Trials
other Witch Trials throughout Europe
The Holocaust
The Crusades
The Inquisition
Christian Radio Stations: http://www.christianradio.com/stations.aspx find one near you, you ignorant bastard
Christian Television Networks: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_over-the-air_television_networks scroll down and take a look at that list, notice how it's the longest?
Preachers on corners
The Pledge of Alliegance
Not allowing gays and lesbians to marry
The currency; "One Nation Under God"
Undermining Pagan religions
The fight against abortion
The fight to preach creationism instead of evolution
The fight against evolution
and btw the only reason why science has to be forceful about their findings is because they have to compete with millions of ignorant bible-humpers like you who would rather listen to a man in a white robe then a scientist waving handfuls of evidence at you.
Believe it or not, you can't say whether or not Atheists should feel overwhelmed and sophicated by religion because your not an Atheist and you can't know how we feel. You see the money saying "One Nation Under God" or see "God Bless America" on a sign and you smile, we see it and it is a religious statement forcing the belief of a single God over everything else. I've never seen "Buddha Bless America," have you? And don't say I'm the one pissing and moaning about religion when up there you were having a hissy about how creationism isn't being taught and that evolution is. There's your proof you ignorant, ignorant, little man, now YOU go shut your fucking mouth.
Seragath
06-30-2010, 11:38 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SIMFz5ZKDVo&feature=related
I'm sorry guys there was another messiah long before Jesus even came. So sorry to disappoint you. But I guess even with that you will not change your foolish minds.
You think I'm making it up? You want proof? Here's your fucking proof:
Fargo Man and License Plate Story: http://www.wday.com/event/article/id/34055/
Proposition 8
The Holy War
The Salem Witch Trials
other Witch Trials throughout Europe
The Holocaust
The Crusades
The Inquisition
Christian Radio Stations: http://www.christianradio.com/stations.aspx find one near you, you ignorant bastard
Christian Television Networks: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_over-the-air_television_networks scroll down and take a look at that list, notice how it's the longest?
Preachers on corners
The Pledge of Alliegance
Not allowing gays and lesbians to marry
The currency; "One Nation Under God"
Undermining Pagan religions
The fight against abortion
The fight to preach creationism instead of evolution
The fight against evolution
and btw the only reason why science has to be forceful about their findings is because they have to compete with millions of ignorant bible-humpers like you who would rather listen to a man in a white robe then a scientist waving handfuls of evidence at you.
Believe it or not, you can't say whether or not Atheists should feel overwhelmed and sophicated by religion because your not an Atheist and you can't know how we feel. You see the money saying "One Nation Under God" or see "God Bless America" on a sign and you smile, we see it and it is a religious statement forcing the belief of a single God over everything else. I've never seen "Buddha Bless America," have you? And don't say I'm the one pissing and moaning about religion when up there you were having a hissy about how creationism isn't being taught and that evolution is. There's your proof you ignorant, ignorant, little man, now YOU go shut your fucking mouth.
Free media, .com website, and Wikipedia. Sounds legit. Oh wait, lets add a list of other random shit that is vaguely related. That will work.
If you were any more crazy, I'd suggest you go back to the padded room with the kickass jacket they give you.
The best one, The Holocaust, made me lol. You might want to learn some history.
Free media, .com website, and Wikipedia. Sounds legit. Oh wait, lets add a list of other random shit that is vaguely related. That will work.
If you were any more crazy, I'd suggest you go back to the padded room with the kickass jacket they give you.
The best one, The Holocaust, made me lol. You might want to learn some history.
So because it came from the internet it's automatically invalid or unrelated? How is all of that a load of bullshit and chips? From what I see everything on mattatheos' list is pertaining to religion and the battle of religion. Religious broadcasting, music, TV stations, radio stations, billboard advertisement and word of mouth are all attempting to spread the word to everyone.
Holy Wars, Witch Trials, Crusades, The Inquisition, and yes, even the Holocaust are all the prosecution of individuals who don't think the same way as someone else and countless people die from it and even more are left scarred for life from what they've been put though because they had the stones to form their own opinion rather then become a mindless drone and take part of a big ass illogical game of follow the leader.
How is the Holocaust related to religion? Hitler killed a few million Jews because they were Jews. Last time I checked Judaism is a religion.
mattatheos
07-01-2010, 04:06 AM
Free media, .com website, and Wikipedia. Sounds legit. Oh wait, lets add a list of other random shit that is vaguely related. That will work.
If you were any more crazy, I'd suggest you go back to the padded room with the kickass jacket they give you.
The best one, The Holocaust, made me lol. You might want to learn some history.
Typical, most religious people turn a blind eye to the bad stuff they did and try to pretend it never happened but I've never met a Bible-humper delusional enough to actually think they never occured. You should know that your religion is the cause for a lot of blood shed and grief, it's hard to except and I sympathize with you. It's like finding out that one of your parents has been a closet-homosexual all these years and has been leading a double-life as a spy. It's a lot of swallow and I know you don't want to admit it's true but we are all here for you if you need a hug when you finally see the light of it all. It must be difficult living a life where your mind can't cope with reality so you actually twist what you see into a vision of the world that is easier for you to deal with. I'm sure there is a better word for it other then "religion-induced-blindness" but that's all I can come up with to help you. The list stands, all of the sources are accurate even if they don't agree with your delusional world views. You can laugh and poke fun at them all you want but they are real, you know they are real and they will always be real. I kind of feel sorry for you that your so blind that you can't see what your own God and religion has done over the years or the scars it has left on the panels of time. *pats your shoulder* you poor, blind, lost soul you...
Typical, most religious people turn a blind eye to the bad stuff they did and try to pretend it never happened but I've never met a Bible-humper delusional enough to actually think they never occured. You should know that your religion is the cause for a lot of blood shed and grief, it's hard to except and I sympathize with you. It's like finding out that one of your parents has been a closet-homosexual all these years and has been leading a double-life as a spy. It's a lot of swallow and I know you don't want to admit it's true but we are all here for you if you need a hug when you finally see the light of it all. It must be difficult living a life where your mind can't cope with reality so you actually twist what you see into a vision of the world that is easier for you to deal with. I'm sure there is a better word for it other then "religion-induced-blindness" but that's all I can come up with to help you. The list stands, all of the sources are accurate even if they don't agree with your delusional world views. You can laugh and poke fun at them all you want but they are real, you know they are real and they will always be real. I kind of feel sorry for you that your so blind that you can't see what your own God and religion has done over the years or the scars it has left on the panels of time. *pats your shoulder* you poor, blind, lost soul you...
It is ironic that non-Christians use this as a tactic to invalidate anything a Christian says. Nice try, though.
A padded cell would do you some good.
mattatheos
07-02-2010, 03:29 AM
It is ironic that non-Christians use this as a tactic to invalidate anything a Christian says. Nice try, though.
A padded cell would do you some good.
So just because I don't believe what you believe I must be crazy, is that it? You religious types all the same, you think that there must be something wrong with anyone who doesn't think the way you think or act the way you act. You act so high and mighty, as if you are better then other people just because you follow the words of a book so blindly. How can a religion get away with such cruel acts towards humanity and for corrupting their flock? I swear, you all think your shit doesn't stink.
Why is it everyone but the Christians are to blame for their colossal fuck-ups? Expo, you went from saying that Christianity isn't as violent as it was back around the time of the Crusades and the Roman Empire and what ever other campaigns they had to aggressively convert every person they see by force, or kill them to pretending as if none of that ever happened.
Which one is it? More people have been killed "in the name of the lord" that for any other singular reason on the planet. Even more so the Christian god killed more people than Satan in the bible...
mattatheos
07-02-2010, 05:07 AM
Why is it everyone but the Christians are to blame for their colossal fuck-ups? Expo, you went from saying that Christianity isn't as violent as it was back around the time of the Crusades and the Roman Empire and what ever other campaigns they had to aggressively convert every person they see by force, or kill them to pretending as if none of that ever happened.
Which one is it? More people have been killed "in the name of the lord" that for any other singular reason on the planet. Even more so the Christian god killed more people than Satan in the bible...
ROFL! it's true lol God is worse than Satan and Satan is supposedly evil! lofl!!!
So just because I don't believe what you believe I must be crazy, is that it? You religious types all the same, you think that there must be something wrong with anyone who doesn't think the way you think or act the way you act. You act so high and mighty, as if you are better then other people just because you follow the words of a book so blindly. How can a religion get away with such cruel acts towards humanity and for corrupting their flock? I swear, you all think your shit doesn't stink.
Wait, when did I say that? I was just stating that you live in an alternate reality inside your head. And you say religious types are all the same, and yet you act as belligerent as them. I don't act "high and mighty", I just don't act like a fucking idiot like you. Really, religion gets away? Is that why religious people, big and small, are persecuted by the world, and you now, saying they are evil because of these acts? I don't think my shit doesn't stink, but it looks like you think that of yourself.
Why is it everyone but the Christians are to blame for their colossal fuck-ups? Expo, you went from saying that Christianity isn't as violent as it was back around the time of the Crusades and the Roman Empire and what ever other campaigns they had to aggressively convert every person they see by force, or kill them to pretending as if none of that ever happened.
Which one is it? More people have been killed "in the name of the lord" that for any other singular reason on the planet. Even more so the Christian god killed more people than Satan in the bible...
When did I say "Christianity isn't as violent"? "More people have been killed "in the name of the lord" that for any other singular reason on the planet." Source please. "Even more so the Christian god killed more people than Satan in the bible..." Source please.
ROFL! it's true lol God is worse than Satan and Satan is supposedly evil! lofl!!!
So god is fake, but Satan is not? Epic irony.
cyberbritt
07-02-2010, 03:26 PM
i belive religion is bad, i know the mayority of the people in the belive are good but as it has been used in all these campaigns. I has also been used to gain power for a few people in the times.
When did I say "Christianity isn't as violent"? "More people have been killed "in the name of the lord" that for any other singular reason on the planet." Source please. "Even more so the Christian god killed more people than Satan in the bible..." Source please.
Perhaps my mind was playing tricks on me but I swear I read something from you pertaining to Christianity not being how it was way back when, when they went around killing people for forming their own opinions... Ahh well...
But I don't have links or sources for my other statements, so go ahead and tell me about how I should back up my words with some proof, I know it's coming. But what about Sodom and Gomorrah? A bunch of people were killed by the Christian god for being homosexual.
So god is fake, but Satan is not? Epic irony.
mattatheos never said either of them were real, she merely agreed with what I said about God killing more people than Satan, what with Satan being the evil guy and all.
Wonderbaum
07-02-2010, 05:28 PM
http://www.the-atheist.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/10/religionexplained.jpg
http://images.fanpop.com/images/image_uploads/Fan-Art-atheism-523257_450_448.jpg
Perhaps my mind was playing tricks on me but I swear I read something from you pertaining to Christianity not being how it was way back when, when they went around killing people for forming their own opinions... Ahh well...
But I don't have links or sources for my other statements, so go ahead and tell me about how I should back up my words with some proof, I know it's coming. But what about Sodom and Gomorrah? A bunch of people were killed by the Christian god for being homosexual.
mattatheos never said either of them were real, she merely agreed with what I said about God killing more people than Satan, what with Satan being the evil guy and all.
This only gets better.
dfighter
07-02-2010, 10:51 PM
http://img20.imageshack.us/img20/8868/75atrustworthysourcefor.jpg
mattatheos
07-03-2010, 03:45 AM
Expo, you seem to only be able to laugh and say "I need sources!" Have you run out of ways to say "the Bible told me so" so now you just grunt and squeal and scawf at what people say because you can't defend your side? Your all like "oh look someone replied to the thread *grunt* oh theres another *blehb*" Please spare us your confused, reptitive phrases and barnyard noises.
Expo, you seem to only be able to laugh and say "I need sources!" Have you run out of ways to say "the Bible told me so" so now you just grunt and squeal and scawf at what people say because you can't defend your side? Your all like "oh look someone replied to the thread *grunt* oh theres another *blehb*" Please spare us your confused, reptitive phrases and barnyard noises.
You are really desperate that you are attempting personal attacks. This is cute.
arjo112
07-03-2010, 07:33 AM
The 1st topic here failed, religeon is not only bout the frekin bible, 1: Your only pointing at christianity, 2: that's not only bout the bible.
DO YOUR RESEARCH OR DIE TRYING.
The 1st topic here failed, religeon is not only bout the frekin bible, 1: Your only pointing at christianity, 2: that's not only bout the bible.
DO YOUR RESEARCH OR DIE TRYING.
When you are dealing with a child such as mattatheos, making sense and having logic thought mean nothing.
When you are dealing with a child such as mattatheos, making sense and having logic thought mean nothing.
You call everyone who dares to disagree with you a child after a few heated words are exchanged.
You call everyone who dares to disagree with you a child after a few heated words are exchanged.
If the shoe fits, wear it. Don't wanna be called one? Don't act like one. Problem. Solution.
If the shoe fits, wear it. Don't wanna be called one? Don't act like one. Problem. Solution.
I can agree with that but some of the times I've ssen you call someone a child the shoe didn't fit very well.
Wonderbaum
07-03-2010, 07:58 AM
If the shoe fits, wear it. Don't wanna be called one? Don't act like one. Problem. Solution.
This.
I can agree with that but some of the times I've ssen you call someone a child the shoe didn't fit very well.
Try viewing it from a few perspectives. One cannot see all sides from one place.
mattatheos
07-04-2010, 04:08 AM
Try viewing it from a few perspectives. One cannot see all sides from one place.
so you're suddenly some deep, all-knowing, seasoned person? I'm not a child, your just upset cause meanie mattatheos doesn't think your imaginary friend is true boo who
Seragath
07-04-2010, 05:56 AM
Try viewing it from a few perspectives. One cannot see all sides from one place.
Actually you can..Depends on where you stand. ;)
so you're suddenly some deep, all-knowing, seasoned person? I'm not a child, your just upset cause meanie mattatheos doesn't think your imaginary friend is true boo who
I'm sorry, logical fallacies aren't truth when some angry person over the internet tries to say it does. You are about as mean as a downie. Gnats are more threatening then you. Keep on with your logic fails and hope more idiots believe you.
Actually you can..Depends on where you stand. ;)
I want you to stand in one direction, and hold on to a spherical object. Now, without moving or using any other objects, look at the opposite side.
Seragath
07-04-2010, 04:32 PM
I want you to stand in one direction, and hold on to a spherical object. Now, without moving or using any other objects, look at the opposite side.
Expo. When you were talking like that about the perspectives. you were having another meaning behind it. So did I about mine.
Edit:
And just to be a douche, it's still quite possible. I just get a friend of mine to walk behind it...Film it.. And then show it to me. Now I have seen it from that angle too. Future technology win!
Expo. When you were talking like that about the perspectives. you were having another meaning behind it. So did I about mine.
Edit:
And just to be a douche, it's still quite possible. I just get a friend of mine to walk behind it...Film it.. And then show it to me. Now I have seen it from that angle too. Future technology win!
"without moving or using any other objects" means no cameras, no word of mouth, you must see it with your own eyes. Ability to comprehend basic mental processes fail.
Seragath
07-04-2010, 05:31 PM
"without moving or using any other objects" means no cameras, no word of mouth, you must see it with your own eyes. Ability to comprehend basic mental processes fail.
Hmm..Yeah I must have missed that part, Sorry about that. Then i'll just stick to the first part I said. Which you obviously just decided to skip. :)
"without moving or using any other objects" means no cameras, no word of mouth, you must see it with your own eyes. Ability to comprehend basic mental processes fail.
And when prescisely would a situation such as this actually arise? I can't honestly think of one scenario where a person is standing in a room with no mirrors holding a sphere and not moving or using any other objects, even word of mouth from another person. There is always a means to find out more about something.
Of course what you said is impossible but as stated above it's just never going to happen.
mag1212
07-05-2010, 02:03 PM
http://www.blamonet.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10001/normal_Retard_Win.jpg
Arguing on the internet is no different then arguing face to face. Except there is no risk of getting punched and you press little buttons with letters on them to communicate.
I hardly see how arguing in one form makes you less intelligent than if you were to argue in an other manner.
Hmm..Yeah I must have missed that part, Sorry about that. Then i'll just stick to the first part I said. Which you obviously just decided to skip. :)
Actually, you are wrong. I did, in fact, read the first part of what you said. I read all of what you said. So, basically, you are incorrect.
And when prescisely would a situation such as this actually arise? I can't honestly think of one scenario where a person is standing in a room with no mirrors holding a sphere and not moving or using any other objects, even word of mouth from another person. There is always a means to find out more about something.
Of course what you said is impossible but as stated above it's just never going to happen.
That is why I said you can't stand in one place and see all. You must change your point of view to gather more information. Do you now see what I am speaking of?
Seragath
07-05-2010, 04:50 PM
I'm sorry guys I've kinda lost track. But are we still arguing about religion ?
I'm sorry guys I've kinda lost track. But are we still arguing about religion ?
I'd say the thread has gotten more productive. The conversation changed and ins't just the same shit over and over.
Seragath
07-05-2010, 05:05 PM
I'd say the thread has gotten more productive. The conversation changed and ins't just the same shit over and over.
Helps your feed?
Helps your feed?
Feed what?
mattatheos
07-06-2010, 12:37 AM
so then expo, if I'm such a child and you are so deep and thoughtful with rich perspectives, how come you can't understand what we are saying and in some way agree or sympathize with us? If you can tell where we are coming from then why can't you tell how we feel? All you do is tell us what we think is wrong, that isn't a different perspective at all.
so then expo, if I'm such a child and you are so deep and thoughtful with rich perspectives, how come you can't understand what we are saying and in some way agree or sympathize with us? If you can tell where we are coming from then why can't you tell how we feel? All you do is tell us what we think is wrong, that isn't a different perspective at all.
Who said I didn't understand what rational thought was posted (mainly Syke) and/or sympathize with?
Seems you have been raging at everything I post that you may have missed out on the not-so-subtle pieces.
I am just seeing how far off you take what I say.
mattatheos
07-06-2010, 04:50 AM
No, in this thread or the other one we started discussing Christians and such pushing their beliefs on others and you told us that Christians and such don't do that and that we shouldn't feel that way. How is that sympathizing and understanding?
Stipt
07-06-2010, 06:40 AM
Science proves nothing but bull crap! Religion is awesome and forever. Try to prove 1 thing in the Bible wrong (KJV), I guarantee you can't do it. Not 1 person has ever done it! But science has been proved wrong by the Bible and proved correct in different things by the Bible. Science is always changing, but the Bible isn't!
To make this easy, I will give you 1 million Usd if you can!
No, in this thread or the other one we started discussing Christians and such pushing their beliefs on others and you told us that Christians and such don't do that and that we shouldn't feel that way. How is that sympathizing and understanding?
No, I said that the past is the past, and the past ins't the presence. It that really that hard to understand? People push their beliefs all the time. Personal beliefs, moral beliefs, religious beliefs, scientific beliefs, etc. You went crying cause religion was involved.
Science proves nothing but bull crap! Religion is awesome and forever. Try to prove 1 thing in the Bible wrong (KJV), I guarantee you can't do it. Not 1 person has ever done it! But science has been proved wrong by the Bible and proved correct in different things by the Bible. Science is always changing, but the Bible isn't!
To make this easy, I will give you 1 million Usd if you can!
But but but, you cant prove the Bible correct, so its wrong. At least, that is what science says.
candlelights
07-06-2010, 12:55 PM
To make this easy, I will give you 1 million Usd if you can!
bats aren't birds, 1 million dollars please
bats aren't birds, 1 million dollars please
Where does the Bible say bats are birds?
candlelights
07-06-2010, 01:32 PM
Where does the Bible say bats are birds?
deuteronomy 14:11 - 14:18
leviticus 11:13 - 11:19
deuteronomy 14:11 - 14:18
leviticus 11:13 - 11:19
Holy shit, you found a verse and a quote of the verse in the Bible where it says bats are birds. Congratulations, 1 small detail.
candlelights
07-06-2010, 01:44 PM
I guess I am the first, because 'noone has ever done it!1!!'
also I would like my 1 million dollars :S
I guess I am the first, because 'noone has ever done it!1!!'
also I would like my 1 million dollars :S
The question you must ask yourself. Are you sure, or it is because science says so?
candlelights
07-06-2010, 02:01 PM
The question you must ask yourself. Are you sure, or it is because science says so?
Science says bats are not birds yes, but it is not dogmatic. It has a set of rules that make sense. And hence I can come to the conclusion myself if I wish that bats are in fact not birds because they fall under the category of mammal by the non-arbitrary rules set out by biology.
Science says bats are not birds yes, but it is not dogmatic. It has a set of rules that make sense. And hence I can come to the conclusion myself if I wish that bats are in fact not birds because they fall under the category of mammal by the non-arbitrary rules set out by biology.
A lot of things make sense when we force them to. Didn't you think it made sense back in the 1300s that you could sail off the side of the world cause you can only see a horizon?
Science proves nothing but bull crap! Religion is awesome and forever. Try to prove 1 thing in the Bible wrong (KJV), I guarantee you can't do it. Not 1 person has ever done it! But science has been proved wrong by the Bible and proved correct in different things by the Bible. Science is always changing, but the Bible isn't!
To make this easy, I will give you 1 million Usd if you can!
Holy shit not your retarded fucking bible bashing ass again. I can see I'm going to give myself a massive headache trying to be some sense through your abnormally thick skull again. The bible must first make sense before anyone can do something with it. But I can disprove your demented thoughts that the earth is 6000 years old, and that humans and dinosaurs ran together.
The earth is not 6000 years old, and modern human beings have been here for no less than 200,000 years. http://www1.voanews.com/english/news/a-13-2005-02-17-voa51-67522602.html
The Earth is at least 235 million years old. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/1352871.stm
The Earth may not have been definitively proven to be around 4.4 billion years old as scientists theorize but it's older than 6000 years, modern humans and prehistoric dinosaurs did not live at the same time.
candlelights and I would like the money you owe us now.
khaled123
07-06-2010, 03:57 PM
i say FUCK THE GUY WHO MADE THIS THREAD END ! ;)
Stipt
07-06-2010, 03:59 PM
deuteronomy 14:11 - 14:18
leviticus 11:13 - 11:19
In deuteronomy 14:11 - 14:18, it never said a bat was a bird, it said it is an unclean thing to eat. And if it means the bat is a bird, then it is. (God created it and he knows what it is).
leviticus 11:13 - 11:19
The bat is a fowl of the air. In creations got created different things on different days, and took 6 days to do it, to show man a week has 6 days to work, and 1 day to rest. It never said the bat was a bird it said a fowl.
Please read Genesis 1:20 and you will find the answer. I quote
"And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and the fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven."
candlelights
07-06-2010, 04:03 PM
In deuteronomy 14:11 - 14:18, it never said a bat was a bird, it said it is an unclean thing to eat. And if it means the bat is a bird, then it is. (God created it and he knows what it is).
leviticus 11:13 - 11:19
The bat is a fowl of the air. In creations got created different things on different days, and took 6 days to do it, to show man a week has 6 days to work, and 1 day to rest. It never said the bat was a bird it said a fowl.
Please read Genesis 1:20 and you will find the answer. I quote
"And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and the fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven."
Fowl is a word for birds in general but usually refers to birds belonging to one of two biological orders
Bats are flying mammals in the order Chiroptera.
as for the rest, I give approximately zero shits.
Stipt
07-06-2010, 04:13 PM
Holy shit not your retarded fucking bible bashing ass again. I can see I'm going to give myself a massive headache trying to be some sense through your abnormally thick skull again. The bible must first make sense before anyone can do something with it. But I can disprove your demented thoughts that the earth is 6000 years old, and that humans and dinosaurs ran together.
The earth is not 6000 years old, and modern human beings have been here for no less than 200,000 years. http://www1.voanews.com/english/news/a-13-2005-02-17-voa51-67522602.html
The Earth is at least 235 million years old. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/1352871.stm
The Earth may not have been definitively proven to be around 4.4 billion years old as scientists theorize but it's older than 6000 years, modern humans and prehistoric dinosaurs did not live at the same time.
candlelights and I would like the money you owe us now.
No it has not been proven to be older than around 6k years. The Bible records dates, and if you do the math it comes to about 6k or more years. And as for the Dino, the Bible sates they lived with man, Because King David watched 1 play in the water. My science book has enough ways to prove creation correct and enough to prove evolution wrong!
Now some science:
"On April 25, 1977, a Japanese commercial fishing vessel snagged the rotting carcass of a large, unidentified sea creature off the coats of New Zealand; scientist estimate that the creature had been dead about a month. Although the crew did not bring the badly decayed carcass aboard ship for fear that it would spoil their valuable cargo, they examined and photographed it as it hung over the stern of the vessel and then dropped it back into the sea. Some scientists thought that the creature closely resembled a plesiosaur, a dinosaurlike sea creature thought to have become extinct 65 million years ago."
Fowl is a word for birds in general but usually refers to birds belonging to one of two biological orders
Bats are flying mammals in the order Chiroptera.
as for the rest, I give approximately zero shits.
It never called a fowl a bird. Thats mans thoughts, and does not prove the Bible wrong. I know for fact none of you can prove the Bible wrong. A radio man did this a while back and had nobody even try to prove it wrong for 1million dollars.
And I know it is 100% non conflicting & true!
http://www.dinosaurjungle.com/focus_plesiosaur.jpg
http://xmb.stuffucanuse.com/xmb/image.php?&aid=591&yano1.jpg
There it is the Plesiosaur :D
That is in my science book!
candlelights
07-06-2010, 04:14 PM
No it has not been proven to be older than around 6k years. The Bible records dates, and if you do the math it comes to about 6k or more years. And as for the Dino, the Bible sates they lived with man, Because King David watched 1 play in the water. My science book has enough ways to prove creation correct and enough to prove evolution wrong!
Now some science:
"On April 25, 1977, a Japanese commercial fishing vessel snagged the rotting carcass of a large, unidentified sea creature off the coats of New Zealand; scientist estimate that the creature had been dead about a month. Although the crew did not bring the badly decayed carcass aboard ship for fear that it would spoil their valuable cargo, they examined and photographed it as it hung over the stern of the vessel and then dropped it back into the sea. Some scientists thought that the creature closely resembled a plesiosaur, a dinosaurlike sea creature thought to have become extinct 65 million years ago."
It never called a fowl a bird. Thats mans thoughts, and does not prove the Bible wrong. I know for fact none of you can prove the Bible wrong. A radio man did this a while back and had nobody even try to prove it wrong for 1million dollars.
And I know it is 100% non conflicting & true!
http://www.dinosaurjungle.com/focus_plesiosaur.jpg
http://xmb.stuffucanuse.com/xmb/image.php?&aid=591&yano1.jpg
There it is the Plesiosaur :D
That is in my science book!
troll .
Stipt
07-06-2010, 04:16 PM
More thought on the bat.
The Bible is not meant to be a scientific description of modern biological categories. Instead, it is often written from the perspective of what we see. In other words, it makes generic categorizations. In this case, the bat is categorized as a bird because like birds, it flies and is similar in size to most birds. If we did not know that it was a mammal, it would be natural to call it a bird. To the Hebrew of ancient times, calling it a bird was perfectly logical. But, in modern times we categorize animal species more specifically, and have categorized the bat as a mammal and not a bird.
Also, we must be aware that it is modern science that has a different classification system than ancient times. To the ancients, creatures such as a bat were considered birds since they categorized all flying animals as birds. If that is the category that they used, then they were correct. It is not an error. It is a difference of categorization procedures. The critic has imposed upon the ancient text a modern system of categorization and then said that the Bible is wrong. This is a big error in thinking.
candlelights
07-06-2010, 04:17 PM
cop out moar
Stipt
07-06-2010, 04:20 PM
I rest my case on the bats, and I think I won!
candlelights
07-06-2010, 04:26 PM
Yes of course you did. Bats are birds, praise jeebus
Stipt
07-06-2010, 04:34 PM
Now to prove evolution wrong from my science book.
Geologists recognize that floods and other catastrophes have been a part of Earth's history, and they have found evidence that indicates that vast regions of the earth have been indundated by water. Thus far, however, most uniformitarin geologists are not ready to admit to the fact of the Genesis world wide flood!
Darwin and other early evolutionists believed that the fossil record we see is the result of the slow accumulation of fossils over millions even billions, of years. But the very existence of a fossil implies catastrophic burial. This is true because in order for a fossil to form, it must be buried quickly, before it decays and its bones are scattered or decomposed.
As a rule, conditions conductive to quick burial occur only during catastrophic events, such as volcanic eruptions, landslides, mudflows, or floods. In the fossil record, we often find millions of organisms, predator and prey alike, jumbled together in mass sedimentary graves that imply sudden, violent burial.
candlelights
07-06-2010, 04:39 PM
watch these you'll be fine http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZFrkjEgUDZA&feature=PlayList&p=126AFB53A6F002CC&playnext_from=PL&playnext=1&index=1
Seragath
07-06-2010, 04:40 PM
I say it once again
science without religion is boring. Religion without science is blind.
basically if there was no science and just the word of god. We'd be back to the stone age. And if we had no "Religion people" it would just be boring. I mean come on. It's fun to laugh about how much Christians mention the "bible says" in each sentence.
Stipt
07-06-2010, 04:51 PM
Now the good part.
If evolution were true-if organisms have gradually changed into other organisms over time-there would be many fossils of the intermediate forms, but this is not the case; there are actually great gaps between each kind of organism. The fossil record reveals fish and amphibians, but no half-amphibians; amphibians and reptiles, but no half-reptiles; birds and mammals, but no "reptile-birds" or Lizard-mammals." The fact that no transitional forms have been found is the greatest evidence against evolution. Darwin himself recognized this problem:
The number of intermediate varieties, which have formerly existed on the earth, [must] be truly enormous. Why then is not every geological formation and every stratum full of such intermediates links? Geology assuredly does not reveal any such finely graduated organic chain; and this, perhaps, is the most obvious and gravest objections which can be urged against my theory.
watch these you'll be fine http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZFrkjEgUDZA&feature=PlayList&p=126AFB53A6F002CC&playnext_from=PL&playnext=1&index=1
Video sucks, it said myths written by men about God. But you see that is wrong!
The Bible was written by many men chosen & inspired by God, and God told them what to write and they wrote. Like John and Revelations. God showed him everything in a dream! so I will not finish the video, because it just Blasphemed the Bible & God!
I got enough stuff in my science book to prove evolution wrong for days, and enough to prove creation correct forever!
No it has not been proven to be older than around 6k years. The Bible records dates, and if you do the math it comes to about 6k or more years. And as for the Dino, the Bible sates they lived with man, Because King David watched 1 play in the water. My science book has enough ways to prove creation correct and enough to prove evolution wrong!
Now some science:
"On April 25, 1977, a Japanese commercial fishing vessel snagged the rotting carcass of a large, unidentified sea creature off the coats of New Zealand; scientist estimate that the creature had been dead about a month. Although the crew did not bring the badly decayed carcass aboard ship for fear that it would spoil their valuable cargo, they examined and photographed it as it hung over the stern of the vessel and then dropped it back into the sea. Some scientists thought that the creature closely resembled a plesiosaur, a dinosaurlike sea creature thought to have become extinct 65 million years ago."
It never called a fowl a bird. Thats mans thoughts, and does not prove the Bible wrong. I know for fact none of you can prove the Bible wrong. A radio man did this a while back and had nobody even try to prove it wrong for 1million dollars.
And I know it is 100% non conflicting & true!
http://www.dinosaurjungle.com/focus_plesiosaur.jpg
http://xmb.stuffucanuse.com/xmb/image.php?&aid=591&yano1.jpg
There it is the Plesiosaur :D
That is in my science book!
READ THE FUCKING LINKS I GAVE YOU DIPSHIT, YOU WANTED PROOF THAT PARTS OF THE BIBLE ARE WRONG, THERE'S YOUR PROOF JACK ASS. Modern human fossil proven to be 200,000 years old, dinosaur fossil proven to be at least 235 million years old. A fossil can't exist if the Earth didn't exist therefor at the very youngest. The Earth is 235 million year old. But I know your comprehension skills, thought process and ability to process logical thought and rational statements is non-existent try to bear with me here.
Just because a rotting corpse of an unidentified creature resembles something that used to exist doesn't mean that's automatically what it is. My friend's mother looks like Janice Joplin, but that doesn't mean she is. But that does prove something. You are willing to believe anything because 1 guy said so. Unless that guy is someone more intelligent that you who actually knows what the fuck he's talking about.
A Wikipedia article on Fowls http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fowl
As always your "science" is complete shit and can be trusted about as much as a pathological liar literally incapable of telling the truth at all. You are just so afraid of being wrong you will say anything to make yourself look right.
Earth is 6000 years old.
Those articles I postsed say otherwise.
ZOMFG!!! GOD AND TEH BIBLE SAY ITS 6000 I DUN CARE ABOUT YOUR SCIENTIFIC FACTS!!!1! I ARE RIGHT BECAUSE A BOOK THAT I CAN'T PROVE SAID SOMETHING!!!!1!!1ONE!1
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Stipt
07-06-2010, 04:55 PM
Go by the book "Science of the Physical Creation" by Abeka Book, and read chapter 11. You will never believe evolution again!
buy*
I have an idea for you. Go buy a gun, put bullets in it, put it in your mouth and pull the trigger. You will never believe religion again!
But of course as usual you failed to address any of my very valid points because you are an extremist religious nut case.
Stipt
07-06-2010, 05:03 PM
Today the population grows at 2% per year. If we set the population growth rate at just 0.5% per year, then total population reduces to zero at about 4500 years ago. If the first humans lived 1,000,000 years ago, then at this 0.5% growth rate, we would have 10^2100 (ten with 2100 zeroes following it) people right now. If the present population was a result of 1,000,000 years of human history, then several trillion people must have lived and died since the emergence of our species. Where are all the bones? And finally, if the population was sufficiently small until only recently, then how could a correspondingly infinitesimally small number of mutations have evolved the human race?
The earth's magnetic field also points to a very, very young earth. Scientists believe that the earth is a large electromagnet and the source of the magnetic field is probably a large electric current. In 1971, Dr. T. Barnes theorized that nothing keeps the earth going except its own inertia. Because it is not being refueled with energy the Barnes theory says that the current is running down slowly like a flywheel without a motor. Consequently the strength of the earth's magnetic field is decreasing. Since the first measurement of the earth's magnetic field in 1835, it has lost 7% of its strength. According to the Barnes model the strength of the magnetic field should decrease by a constant rate each year and the data is consistent with just such a decrease. Present data points to a magnetic field which has lost one-half of its force over the past 1,400 years. Following this line backwards it is clear to see that Earth's age should be measured in thousands, such as in 6,000, and not billions of years. Russell Humphreys, Ph.D., is an ICR Adjunct Professor of Physics and as of 1993, a physicist at Sandia National Laboratories in New Mexico. He had this to say:
As measured by clocks on earth, the age of the universe today could be as small as the face-value biblical age of about 6,000 years.
The earth is very young...6,000 years young and we can prove it.
GOD SAID He created the earth in six literal days about 6,000 years ago.
MAN SAID, "That's absurd."
Now you have THE RECORD.
Most, due to lack of real interest, are unaware there is a mountain of information to support a 6,000 year old earth. There are 107 scientific measurements alone that prove the earth to be young; scientific research concerning things such as population statistics and the fossil record to Helium in the atmosphere to erosion of the continents.
Perplexing news concerning recent dinosaur bones unearthed in Alaska should have sent a lot of the old-earth proponents back to their bunkers to attempt to shore up their theories. According to the anti-Bible folks there was a huge catastrophe that killed off all the dinosaurs around 70 million years ago. M. Helder in a 1992 article titled, "Fresh Dinosaur Bones Found," published in Creation ex nihilo, Vol. 14, the following information was found:
She could not accept that fresh (not permineralized, meaning unfossilized) dinosaur bones had been found in Alaska. Such bones could never have lasted 70 million years, she said. Unlikely or not, it is a fact that such bones have been found...How these bones could have remained in fresh condition for 70 million years is a perplexing question. One thing is certain: they were not preserved by cold. Everyone recognizes that the climate in these regions was much warmer during the time when the dinosaurs lived...Why then did these bones not decay long ago?...The obvious conclusion is that these bones were deposited in relatively recent times.
Scientists at the University of Montana were shocked when they found T. rex bones that were not totally fossilized. Not only were the bones not fossilized but they appeared to have blood cells which would be impossible if they were millions of years old. The following is part of the report issued by the scientists:
A thin slice of T. rex bone glowed amber beneath the lens of my microscope...the lab filled with murmurs of amazement, for I had focused on something inside the vessels that none of us had ever noticed before: tiny round objects, translucent red with a dark center...red blood cells? The shape and location suggested them, but blood cells are mostly water and couldn't possibly have stayed preserved in the 65-million-year old tyrannosaur.
The bone sample that had us so excited came from a beautiful, nearly complete specimen of Tyrannosaurus rex unearthed in 1990...When the team brought the dinosaur into the lab, we noticed that some parts deep inside the long bone of the leg had not completely fossilzed...So far, we think that all of this evidence supports the notion that our slices of T. rex could contain preserved heme as hemoglobin fragments. But more work needs to be done before we are confident enough to come right out and say, "Yes, this T. rex has blood compounds left in its tissues."
In another effort to make fossils speak in new ways, post-graduate student Mary Schweitzer has been trying to extract DNA from the bones of T. rex. Originally, like Kristi, she had intended to thin-section the bones and conduct a histologic investigation. But under the microscope there appeared to be blood cells preserved within the bone tissue. Mary conducted a number of tests in an attempt to rule out the possibility that what she'd discovered were in fact blood cells. The tests instead confirmed her initial interpretation.
Author, popular lecturer and broadcaster Ken Ham weighed in with the following comment on this subject:
These red blood cells provide excellent evidence that these fossils are not millions of years old, but are no more than a few thousand years old.
Ancient historic accounts, the Bible and thousands of local sightings testify of dinosaurs and fiery flying serpents in recorded history. Even in this present day reports of dinosaur-like creatures exist. For example, in the publication Science Digest, 1981, and in Science Frontiers, number 3367, they recorded that explorers and native Africans reported sightings of dinosaur-like creatures. In the February 6, 1980, issue of the Australian Melbourne Sun it was reported that over recent years 40 people claimed to have seen plesiosaurs off the Victorian coast of Australia.
candlelights
07-06-2010, 05:04 PM
Now the good part.
If evolution were true-if organisms have gradually changed into other organisms over time-there would be many fossils of the intermediate forms, but this is not the case; there are actually great gaps between each kind of organism.
*Ahem*
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qfoje7jVJpU
The next bit of your copy-pasted pile of doggy poo is innacurate
Stipt
07-06-2010, 05:07 PM
*Ahem*
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qfoje7jVJpU
The next bit of your copy-pasted pile of doggy poo is innacurate because there is nothing in evolution to say that we would have reptile-birds or whatever the fuck you were on about
I typed most of that reading it from my science book lol. The last post I did copy and paste from a website. And yes evolution states that we and other creatures evolved from other creatures.
candlelights
07-06-2010, 05:08 PM
watch the damn video you don't understand anything anyone is saying to you
Both sides are equally shit. Only thing is, both nerdrage at me when I say you can't prove God or science.
You obsess over bones like they are the secret to the universe, the Earth is huge and the crust is constantly moving, rocks as well as anything else under the ground is being reclaimed by the Earth, bones get shattered, they break decay just as the rest of the human body.
There is over 1 million deaths in the United States alone every year, people die, people are born it's a fact trying to use it as a defense for religion is retarded. "OH SHIT PEOPLE DIE!! THERE'S A GOD!!!"
Faulty logic is faulty.
Since you seem to disregard the link I posted for those fossils then take this into account; the last Ice Age on Earth was 20,000 years ago. So the Earth is not 6000 years old. You are a fucking brainwashed extremist retard and the world would be a better place without.
Stipt
07-06-2010, 05:14 PM
But see no half organisms have been found, they lied in this video saying they have, but nobody has seen any not even them.
Well, the aging of rock and bones is circular reasoning, Syke. So, I wouldn't be using that.
Both sides are equally shit. Only thing is, both nerdrage at me when I say you can't prove God or science.
I admit science has faults and can't be 100% correct 100% of the time. But from where I'm standing religion is just too unbelievable for me. And it's dumbfucks like Stipt that give religion a bad name.
I admit science has faults and can't be 100% correct 100% of the time. But from where I'm standing religion is just too unbelievable for me. And it's dumbfucks like Stipt that give religion a bad name.
I can agree that Stipt is a little crazy, but that doesn't discredit the legitimacies in the Bible. Both are beliefs of reality.
Stipt
07-06-2010, 05:32 PM
I rest my case with this last statement.
Despite appearances to the contrary evolution remains a belief, not a proven historical or scientific fact. Neither creation nor evolution can be "proved" by scientifically because science deals only with events that are presently observable and experimentally repeatable. The creation versus evolution debate as not about what science says, but about what man believes; they are both presuppositions accepted by faith. Science can, however, demonstrate whether the ideas of evolution or creation are reasonable beliefs or not; it can either reinforce or undermine them. As a scientific hypothesis, evolution is a failure. It is contradicted by the evidence; it is based on faulty theories and circular reasoning; and it is inconsistent with scientific reality. But most important, evolution fails as a hypothesis because of the lack of transitional forms. As we have seen, the gradual change of one kind into another kind is impossible because the transitional forms would not have been fit to survive. The punctuated equilibrium hypothesis, a feeble attempt to avoid the problem of transitional forms, requires even greater stretches of the imagination. The lack of transitional forms is most clearly illustrated in the supposed evolution of man. Although Darwin and the other early evolutionists were confident that transitional forms between man and his apelike "ancestors" would eventually be found, discovery after discovery merely reinforces the fact that man has always been man. On the contrary, belief in special creation is a reasonable belief supported by the fossil record. In fact, in light of the evidence, special creation is the only reasonable explanation for the origin of life. However, I believe in special creation not because of the fossil evidence, but because God's word says that God created the universe.
I can agree that Stipt is a little crazy, but that doesn't discredit the legitimacies in the Bible. Both are beliefs of reality.
Very true, the word of an extremist doesn't discredit things. But like I said it's still too hard for me to believe with what little is proven (if anything at all, I won't hide I don't read up on religion at all).
Stipt
07-06-2010, 05:39 PM
lol
Very true, the word of an extremist doesn't discredit things. But like I said it's still too hard for me to believe with what little is proven (if anything at all, I won't hide I don't read up on religion at all).
Syke, I have a request. Go look at the mounds of information about religion gathered. Check the historical accuracy of the Bible, then come up with a response. I keep getting the feeling you read the cover, heard some small talk about it, then made up your mind about it.
Syke, I have a request. Go look at the mounds of information about religion gathered. Check the historical accuracy of the Bible, then come up with a response. I keep getting the feeling you read the cover, heard some small talk about it, then made up your mind about it.
Eh, I dunno. It wouldn't kill me I'm sure but I kind of get annoyed hearing the words "God" or "Jesus" or "Lord" and things of the sort, so much that sometimes when my mom watches Christians shows on TV most of the time I take the car and go out for a few hours until I know she's in bed. Just one of the reasons I get so irritated hearing someone preach what they believe in.
Eh, I dunno. It wouldn't kill me I'm sure but I kind of get annoyed hearing the words "God" or "Jesus" or "Lord" and things of the sort, so much that sometimes when my mom watches Christians shows on TV most of the time I take the car and go out for a few hours until I know she's in bed. Just one of the reasons I get so irritated hearing someone preach what they believe in.
I get tired of hearing a lot of stuff. But that is life. I tend to keep my religious beliefs personal when I am around certain people because they nerdrage at me.
Telrander
07-07-2010, 01:05 AM
This thread is sacrilegious! How dare you all question His word! God gave you life and you thank him by doing this?! You will all rot in Hell for going against His supreme being and all-knowing mastery of the Universe. God created all of the animals, even the dinosaurs. Evolution is just some hoax made up by Satan worshipers who try to blind the public with lies so that they won't see the Light of the Lord! Accept him as your Master, Ruler and Savior before it is too late! Don't let Satan and his followers curse you with their damnable science and their lies! Cleanse yourselves and repent before it is too late! Repent, confess and save your souls, you blind fools!
This thread is sacrilegious! How dare you all question His word! God gave you life and you thank him by doing this?! You will all rot in Hell for going against His supreme being and all-knowing mastery of the Universe. God created all of the animals, even the dinosaurs. Evolution is just some hoax made up by Satan worshipers who try to blind the public with lies so that they won't see the Light of the Lord! Accept him as your Master, Ruler and Savior before it is too late! Don't let Satan and his followers curse you with their damnable science and their lies! Cleanse yourselves and repent before it is too late! Repent, confess and save your souls, you blind fools!
*sigh* and I thought Stipt was crazy.
Telrander
07-07-2010, 01:45 AM
Stipt isn't crazy, he is a good Christian. He and Expo and TheMagic and I will go to Heaven for being Christians and you'll rot in Hell like the fucking rotten piece of bitch that you are! God is all! End of discussion!
mattatheos
07-07-2010, 02:00 AM
Then why can't you all be "good Christians" somewhere else? preferably on another planet without internet.
dfighter
07-07-2010, 02:08 AM
This thread is sacrilegious! How dare you all question His word! God gave you life and you thank him by doing this?! You will all rot in Hell for going against His supreme being and all-knowing mastery of the Universe. God created all of the animals, even the dinosaurs. Evolution is just some hoax made up by Satan worshipers who try to blind the public with lies so that they won't see the Light of the Lord! Accept him as your Master, Ruler and Savior before it is too late! Don't let Satan and his followers curse you with their damnable science and their lies! Cleanse yourselves and repent before it is too late! Repent, confess and save your souls, you blind fools!
QFT
Spread the word brother!
http://glpiggy.files.wordpress.com/2009/10/westboro_baptist_church-drones.jpg
Stipt isn't crazy, he is a good Christian. He and Expo and TheMagic and I will go to Heaven for being Christians and you'll rot in Hell like the fucking rotten piece of bitch that you are! God is all! End of discussion!
I'm already in hell.
Telrander
07-07-2010, 02:10 AM
To dfighter: Right on! Go God!
To Syke: You shouldn't joke about Hell. Hell is a horrible place and you shouldn't joke about being there. You're a loser.
To dfighter: Right on! Go God!
To Syke: You shouldn't joke about Hell. Hell is a horrible place and you shouldn't joke about being there. You're a loser.
Good thing I wasn't joking, innit?
Then why can't you all be "good Christians" somewhere else? preferably on another planet without internet.
We all hope you would move to another galaxy, but we can't always get what we want.
To dfighter: Right on! Go God!.
I hope you were kidding.
mattatheos
07-07-2010, 04:29 AM
Piss and moan some more expo, piss and moan.
Piss and moan some more expo, piss and moan.
All on your grave.
mattatheos
07-07-2010, 05:21 AM
All on your grave.
I'm sure the high and mighty elder expo will win that race long before I do.
Scorpian
07-07-2010, 05:39 AM
Religion is shit.
The Bible is a book.
Look at the Mediterranean and surrounding areas before Christ appeared.
They have many other "prophets" or whatever the fuck they are.
That do many of the same things Jesus did.
Before he was ever born.
People stole that, and made Jesus.
And made into a book.
mattatheos
07-07-2010, 05:41 AM
Religion is shit.
The Bible is a book.
Look at the Mediterranean and surrounding areas before Christ appeared.
They have many other "prophets" or whatever the fuck they are.
That do many of the same things Jesus did.
Before he was ever born.
People stole that, and made Jesus.
And made into a book.
all very true!
I'm sure the high and mighty elder expo will win that race long before I do.
Maybe the stupid will survive longer at the cost of others.
Religion is shit.
The Bible is a book.
Look at the Mediterranean and surrounding areas before Christ appeared.
They have many other "prophets" or whatever the fuck they are.
That do many of the same things Jesus did.
Before he was ever born.
People stole that, and made Jesus.
And made into a book.
Oh look, opinions.
Scorpian
07-07-2010, 03:49 PM
Maybe the stupid will survive longer at the cost of others.
Oh look, opinions.
Oh look, facts.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horus
http://listverse.com/2009/04/13/10-christ-like-figures-who-pre-date-jesus/
They all did the same fucking thing bro. Who's lying?
Stipt
07-07-2010, 04:24 PM
Oh look, facts.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horus
http://listverse.com/2009/04/13/10-c...re-date-jesus/
They all did the same fucking thing bro. Who's lying?
Um... That is so stupid, you got many things wrong. Jesus never did any miracles, When he was born of a virgin, he gave up his power and became a man. All the miracles were done by God through him. There are 3 parts to God, God the Father, God the Son, & God the Holy Spirit. All the miracles were done by either The Father or the Holy Spirit. And there are these things called demons and someone called satan aka Lucifer. They have power, and the people your talking were possessed. And only God the Son defeat death!
Um... That is so stupid, you got many things wrong. Jesus never did any miracles, When he was born of a virgin, he gave up his power and became a man. All the miracles were done by God through him. There are 3 parts to God, God the Father, God the Son, & God the Holy Spirit. All the miracles were done by either The Father or the Holy Spirit. And there are these things called demons and someone called satan aka Lucifer. They have power, and the people your talking were possessed. And only God the Son defeat death!
Oh look, as usual you failed to even try to comprehend a valid argument a rational human being was making against your god just as you have every other time I or someone else has confronted you with evidence that shoots down the shit you spew from the hole in your face every time you open it. Do us all a favor, stop huffing nitrous for a few minutes and actually try to be a reasonable human being and take into account facts that other normal people point out to you instead of humping a bible any time someone mentions something going against your idiotic delusions.
Stipt
07-07-2010, 06:00 PM
Let me get this straight. He is correct because he has no proof, just an article saying this happened and these people did this, But I give you evidence of the Bible, and even more, and yet I am still wrong? Syke you just hate the Bible, and will agree with anything that says different.
Oh look, facts.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horus
http://listverse.com/2009/04/13/10-christ-like-figures-who-pre-date-jesus/
They all did the same fucking thing bro. Who's lying?
Lol, Wikipedia and a .com site. I'm surprised you didn't just go to a random forum from an anonymous person.
Stipt
07-07-2010, 06:16 PM
Lol, Wikipedia and a .com site. I'm surprised you didn't just go to a random forum from an anonymous person.
The second site doesn't even exist.
Stipt isn't crazy, he is a good Christian. He and Expo and TheMagic and I will go to Heaven for being Christians and you'll rot in Hell like the fucking rotten piece of bitch that you are! God is all! End of discussion!
This is against my beliefs. Good works don't get you to heaven, "I am the way the truth and the life, no man cometh unto the Father, but by me." -- John 14:6
Quoted it from memory, so excuse my grammar errors, and if you look this up use the (KJV).
I have a question for you Syke, If the Bible is false, why is it that no government can make a moral people, But the Bible can? Why when we take God and the Bible out of America, people go crazy? Look at the death rates, drug rates, pregnancy rates, and Abortion rates that went sky high after the Bible was removed from schools! Only God can create a moral people.
In 1962, prayer was removed from American education and the following statistics show what has happened to our nation as a result:
• SAT Total Scores Have Dropped:
o From 1954 – 1962 SAT scores were between 960 and 980.
o From 1962 – 1980 SAT scores went from 980 to 890 with SAT scores decreasing every year.
o From 1980 – 1994 SAT scores stayed between 890 and 910.
• Violent Crime Has Increased:
o From 1951 – 1962 the violent crime rate was between 150,000 and 250,000 offenses per year with a rise of about 100,000 offenses per year over that 11 year period with an average increase of 9,000 offenses per year.
o From 1962 – 1993 the violent crime rate increased from 250,000 to 1,900,000 offenses per year. That is an increase of 1,650,000 offenses over that 30 year period with an average increase of 55,000 offenses per year.
o Instances of violent crime increased 760% since prayer was removed from schools in 1962.
• Transmission Of STDs (Gonorrhea) Has Increase In Children Ages 10-14:
o From 1955 – 1962 the number of Gonorrhea cases decreased from 18 per 100,000 children to 14 per 100,000children.
o From 1962 – 1990 the number of Gonorrhea cases increased from 14 per 100,000 children to 66 per 100,000 children, a 471% increase.
You can find charts of these statistics at http://www.cluonline.com/section1.htm#leader
Read more: http://www.articlesbase.com/education-articles/look-what-happened-when-god-was-removed-from-american-education-908916.html#ixzz0t1NyWHYX
Under Creative Commons License: Attribution
Prayer is just one example of how the American education system has moved away from God, even against God. In our countries history, the Bible used to be one of, if not the, primary books used in our children’s education. The Bible was used for reading as well to teach our children morals and to teach our children about God. Now, the use of the name of Jesus in a classroom can lead to a teacher being disciplined or fired and has even lead to disciplinary action against students.
The only hope of America is for Christ-centered leaders to be trained and to rise to positions of influence throughout society. Many of the signers of our Constitution were ordained ministers.
Let me get this straight. He is correct because he has no proof, just an article saying this happened and these people did this, But I give you evidence of the Bible, and even more, and yet I am still wrong? Syke you just hate the Bible, and will agree with anything that says different.
You're right, I do hate the bible, except I won't agree with anything going against it. If Stephen Hawking told me that everything is made of pudding and everything I see is an illusion and the bible says that everything isn't made of pudding, I'm still going to think he's a dumbfuck. But you are wrong because you refuse to listen to anything anyone else tells you and don't even try to see our side of the argument, if you made an attempt to understand something that isn't in your book then you might not be such a thickie.
Lol, Wikipedia and a .com site. I'm surprised you didn't just go to a random forum from an anonymous person.
What's wrong with that? I didn't read the website so it's credibility is something I won't speak on but not all websites are full of garbage.
The second site doesn't even exist.
Too bad it does, it just takes a while to load.
I have a question for you Syke, If the Bible is false, why is it that no government can make a moral people, But the Bible can? Why when we take God and the Bible out of America, people go crazy? Look at the death rates, drug rates, pregnancy rates, and Abortion rates that went sky high after the Bible was removed from schools! Only God can create a moral people.
In 1962, prayer was removed from American education and the following statistics show what has happened to our nation as a result:
• SAT Total Scores Have Dropped:
o From 1954 – 1962 SAT scores were between 960 and 980.
o From 1962 – 1980 SAT scores went from 980 to 890 with SAT scores decreasing every year.
o From 1980 – 1994 SAT scores stayed between 890 and 910.
• Violent Crime Has Increased:
o From 1951 – 1962 the violent crime rate was between 150,000 and 250,000 offenses per year with a rise of about 100,000 offenses per year over that 11 year period with an average increase of 9,000 offenses per year.
o From 1962 – 1993 the violent crime rate increased from 250,000 to 1,900,000 offenses per year. That is an increase of 1,650,000 offenses over that 30 year period with an average increase of 55,000 offenses per year.
o Instances of violent crime increased 760% since prayer was removed from schools in 1962.
• Transmission Of STDs (Gonorrhea) Has Increase In Children Ages 10-14:
o From 1955 – 1962 the number of Gonorrhea cases decreased from 18 per 100,000 children to 14 per 100,000children.
o From 1962 – 1990 the number of Gonorrhea cases increased from 14 per 100,000 children to 66 per 100,000 children, a 471% increase.
You can find charts of these statistics at http://www.cluonline.com/section1.htm#leader
Read more: http://www.articlesbase.com/education-articles/look-what-happened-when-god-was-removed-from-american-education-908916.html#ixzz0t1NyWHYX
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Prayer is just one example of how the American education system has moved away from God, even against God. In our countries history, the Bible used to be one of, if not the, primary books used in our children’s education. The Bible was used for reading as well to teach our children morals and to teach our children about God. Now, the use of the name of Jesus in a classroom can lead to a teacher being disciplined or fired and has even lead to disciplinary action against students.
The only hope of America is for Christ-centered leaders to be trained and to rise to positions of influence throughout society. Many of the signers of our Constitution were ordained ministers.
What does the decline of the intelligence of the US have to do with religion? It's no big revelation the the entire world is fucking stupid, and it sure does not prove you are right.
Oh look, a study done in 2007 shows people aren't as willing to believe in ridiculous make-believe shit as they were a long time ago, could that be because the advent of all the new technology of the 20th and 21st centuries and the fact that no god has been found or proven to exist makes people question the validity of a book with almost 0% backing evidence? No couldn't be, that would make too much sense for your abnormally tiny, closed and washed brain to handle.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_atheism#United_Kingdom
Why can't the government make moral people? Gee, uhh I dunno, maybe because they aren't out to force their opinions down everyone's neck like religion is? Morality isn't a matter of religion anyway, to say that only reason people know the difference between right and wrong is because the forceful cramming of opinions is quite arrogant.
Not only that but abortion seems like a shining example of a dictatorial religion. Girl was raped, got pregnant from the attacker and doesn't want to give birth to the child, but wait! She's religious, and all life is sacred so she gives birth to the child but hates it, and hates herself. Atheist girl is raped, gets pregnant from her attacker and has an abortion, forgets about it and goes about her life. Funny how the religious woman hates her child and her self because a book told her that she can't kill something that isn't alive. Amazing.
Stipt
07-07-2010, 06:37 PM
Only some religion crams, I believe its by choice, and I have no thought of forcing anybody to believe anything. Its all choice, and everyone has it. You can never truly force someone to believe something. Everyone has a choice and that choice has consequences.
Strange how those cramming religions are Christianity and it's branches, huh?
And why am I not surprised you failed to address any of my point in the previous post.
Stipt
07-07-2010, 06:49 PM
There is this little thing called adoption, and most people that have had an abortion regret it!
There is this little thing called adoption, and most people that have had an abortion regret it!
Have some proof to back that statement?
Stipt
07-07-2010, 06:53 PM
And no some Christianity does, but I am not stupid, the Bible says Go ye into all the world preaching the Gospel and I tell, I don't cram.
I was a bit wrong on it not most, but quite a bit.
Approximately 5% to 30% of women report feelings of regret, anxiety, guilt, mild depression and other negative emotions. If your feelings are overwhelming or persistent, you should consult a professional therapist.
And no some Christianity does, but I am not stupid, the Bible says Go ye into all the world preaching the Gospel and I tell, I don't cram.
Well until you bring me some proof that over 75% of all women who have abortions regret it, shut your stupid fucking mouth.
On a side note I have some shocking information for you. NOT EVERYONE WANT TO LISTEN TO YOU FUCKERS PREACH YOUR SHIT. There is a fine line between preaching and cramming, and for 99.999% of you, the line is about 3 million light years behind you.
Stipt
07-07-2010, 06:59 PM
But adoption would be a better choice correct? Would you rather kill an innocent baby, or let it live a good life with adopted parents?
And if a Baby is not a living soul until after its born or whatever there saying now, Why does the baby try to escape the death? Why does it squirm inside? Hmm?
But adoption would be a better choice correct? Would you rather kill an innocent baby, or let it live a good life with adopted parents?
There is not correct or incorrect option, it's just a choice that any woman is free to make on her own, one is not better than the other it's just a matter of who gets their panties in a twist to most about it. By the way you can't kill something that isn't alive, it's a fetus. A collection of tissue and amniotic fluids inside the womb of the woman.
Stipt
07-07-2010, 07:02 PM
And if a Baby is not a living soul until after its born or whatever there saying now, Why does the baby try to escape the death? Why does it squirm inside? Hmm? Why does it have its own heart beat?
And if a Baby is not a living soul until after its born or whatever there saying now, Why does the baby try to escape the death? Why does it squirm inside? Hmm? Why does it have its own heart beat?
Basic muscle functions with no ability to perceive anything around it doesn't constitute life. Corpses move sometimes too and they don't have the ability to perceive the world around them, so are they alive as well?
Scorpian
07-07-2010, 07:05 PM
This is getting better and better.
Stipt
07-07-2010, 07:25 PM
Yeah the baby just scratches and kicks and pulls inside to escape the pain!
Yeah the baby just scratches and kicks and pulls inside to escape the pain!
Got some proof to show me?
Stipt
07-07-2010, 07:33 PM
Fetal pain
Main article: Fetal pain
Fetal pain, its existence, and its implications are debated politically and academically. According to the conclusions of a review published in 2005, "Evidence regarding the capacity for fetal pain is limited but indicates that fetal perception of pain is unlikely before the third trimester."[12][25] However, there may be an emerging consensus among developmental neurobiologists that the establishment of thalamocortical connections" (at about 26 weeks) is a critical event with regard to fetal perception of pain.[26] Nevertheless, because pain can involve sensory, emotional and cognitive factors, it is "impossible to know" when painful experiences may become possible, even if it is known when thalamocortical connections are established.[26]
Whether a fetus has the ability to feel pain and to suffer is part of the abortion debate.[27] [28] For example, in the USA legislation has been proposed by pro-life advocates that abortion providers should be required to tell a woman that the fetus may feel pain during the abortion procedure, and require her to accept or decline anesthesia for the fetus.[29]
If its not alive how could it feel pain? (Still getting more on my earlier post)
Looks like that article says a fetus feels pain at the third trimester, the third trimester starts at week 28. Funny thing because there aren't many states that will do abortions at 26 weeks, the cut off date for most places is 14 weeks into the pregnancy.
Stipt
07-07-2010, 07:47 PM
Still trying to find the article of the baby that was trying to escape death. Its in my health book, but I don't want to type the whole article.
D. SELECTED HUMAN FETAL ANATOMICAL and BEHAVIORAL MILESTONES:
1st TRIMESTER
@ 18 days:
***Eyes start to develop. (2)
@ 20 days:
***Foundations of brain, spinal cord and nervous system are laid. (2)
@ 24 days:
***Heart begins to beat. (2)
@ 28 days:
***Muscles are developing along the future spine. Arms and legs are budding. (2)
@ 30 days:
***Brain has human proportions. (2)
@ 35 days:
***Pituitary gland in brain is forming. Mouth, ears and nose are taking shape. (2)
@ 6-7 weeks:
***Brain coordinates movement of muscles and organs. Reflex responses have begun. (2)
***Brain waves detected. (2,3,4)
@ 8 weeks:
***“…the neuro-anatomic structures are present…. [a] a sensory nerve to feel the pain and send a message to [b] the thalamus… and [c] motor nerves that send a message to that area… The pain impulse goes to the thalamus. It sends a signal down the motor nerves to pull away from the hurt.” (5)
***Sticking the fetus in the palm of the hand with a sharp object causes him to open his mouth and pull his hand away. (5)
***Lip tactile response may be evoked (2,5)
***Spontaneous movements have begun. (2,3,6)
***Taste buds are forming. (2)
***Steady heartbeat heard with an ultrasound stethoscope. (7)
@ 9 weeks:
***Eyelids are sensitive to touch. (2)
***Child will bend fingers around an object placed in the palm. (2,7)
***Thumb sucking occurs. (2,8)
@ 10 weeks:
***Body is sensitive to touch. Child squints, swallows, puckers up brow and frowns. (2,4)
***More body movement observed, such as jumping. (8)
@ 11 weeks:
***Face and the upper and lower extremities are sensitive to touch. (5)
***Makes some facial expressions, such as smiling. (2)
***Makes a fist. (4)
@ 12 weeks:
***Squinting is observed. (7)
***Draws knees up to the chest. Kicking begins. (2,9)
***Arms wiggle and head moves. (9)
***Leaps about in uterus. (6)
2nd TRIMESTER
@ 13 weeks:
***Vigorous fetal activity is observed: the child can kick, turn feet, curl and fan toes, make a fist, move thumbs, bend wrists, turn head, open mouth, press lips tightly together, jump and wave arms. (2,10)
***Breathing is practiced. (2)
@ 14 weeks:
***Most body surfaces are sensitive to pain. (5)
***Delicate finger movements present. (6)
@ 16 weeks:
***Child grasps with hands, swims and turns somersaults, fan toes, vigorous moving and kicking. Thumb sucking observed. (2,7)
***Child hears and reacts to external sounds: Classical music has a calming effect, while hard rock music has an agitating effect on the child. (7)
@ 18 weeks:
***Mother first feels baby's movements. (2)
@ 20 weeks:
***Clear sleep patterns evident. (2,7)
***A slamming door will provoke activity. (2)
***Child scratches himself. (7)
***Mother senses punching, kicking and elbowing by child on a regular basis. (7)
***Vocal cords now functional and used to cry. (7)
***Yawning begins. (6)
@ 21 weeks:
***Child documented during fetal surgery via hysterotomy to reach out of mother’s uterus and grasp surgeon’s finger with vigorous hand grasp. (11)
***Babies borne alive at this premature age can survive, but require intensive care. (12)
@ 24 weeks:
***Child sticks out tongue. (13)
http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Evils%20in%20America/Abortion%20is%20Murder/horror_of_abortion.htm
The pictures make me want to puke, and they say its humane.
You do realize when (if at all) a fetus feels pain has not been conclusively proven, right? There are people who say it can feel pain as early as 8 weeks, others say 16 weeks, 28 weeks and others yet say not at all.
And this so called fight to escape death is probably nothing more than an error on the part of some pro-life emotional fuckwit. Just because a book says something doesn't make it true (wow, I feel I've said that about something else before...) a few years ago there were 9 planets in the solar system, then all of the sudden someone decided they disliked Pluto and now there are only 8 planets.
Stipt
07-07-2010, 07:54 PM
You can't prove it can't feel pain, and there is a record of a fetus trying to escape the abortion. Science says the life of the body is in the blood right? well a fetus has its own heart and heartbeat, and its own blood flow! There is life to a fetus!
You can't prove it can't feel pain
And you can't prove that it can.
and there is a record of a fetus trying to escape the abortion.
Show me.
Science says the life of the body is in the blood right?
I don't recall that, without blood one cannot live, however without oxygen or brain function one also cannot live.
well a fetus has its own heart and heartbeat, and its own blood flow! There is life to a fetus!
Okay then, what about brain dead people in a coma? No brain activity what so ever, yet they still have blood flowing through them, they are breathing and getting nutrients. How? Life support machines, you unplug the machines the person ceases to be, the same goes for a fetus. Remove it from the mother before birth and you simply have a sack of flesh and bone and nothing more.
mattatheos
07-07-2010, 08:56 PM
Abortion should be a choice, why can't religious people keep their noses out of a pregnant woman's uterus? What a woman does to her body and to the small, soon-to-be-alive tumor within her is her own choice, it shouldn't be chosen for her by a bunch of crackpots in white robes wielding a book of storys that someone decided should be better then law. Would you rather they banned abortion and forced women to do it themselves with something crude like a clothes hanger? The damage would not only abort the fetus but do high amounts of damage to the mother. I know a lot of you religious fanatics think that that is a good idea, to kill the woman wwho is trying to kill her baby, but since all life is precious to you wouldn't it be better that she gets the abortion done by a professional with minimal injury to herself?
abortion should be a choice, why can't religious people keep their noses out of a pregnant woman's uterus? What a woman does to her body and to the small, soon-to-be-alive tumor within her is her own choice, it shouldn't be chosen for her by a bunch of crackpots in white robes wielding a book of storys that someone decided should be better then law. Would you rather they banned abortion and forced women to do it themselves with something crude like a clothes hanger? The damage would not only abort the fetus but do high amounts of damage to the mother. I know a lot of you religious fanatics think that that is a good idea, to kill the woman wwho is trying to kill her baby, but since all life is precious to you wouldn't it be better that she gets the abortion done by a professional with minimal injury to herself?
qft.
What's wrong with that? I didn't read the website so it's credibility is something I won't speak on but not all websites are full of garbage.
I did look at it. And wikipedia is just a secondary sourcing site. I was hoping for some real evidence.
mattatheos is definitely radical. Killing babies is ok, but killing other human beings is not.
mattatheos
07-08-2010, 06:18 AM
I did look at it. And wikipedia is just a secondary sourcing site. I was hoping for some real evidence.
mattatheos is definitely radical. Killing babies is ok, but killing other human beings is not.
Awwww, expo, you think I'm radical? :} You're radical too man *hug* \,,/ \,,/
When did I say killing babies was ok but killing other people isn't?
Awwww, expo, you think I'm radical? :} You're radical too man *hug* \,,/ \,,/
When did I say killing babies was ok but killing other people isn't?
Read above.
dfighter
07-08-2010, 06:51 AM
I did look at it. And wikipedia is just a secondary sourcing site. I was hoping for some real evidence.
mattatheos is definitely radical. Killing babies is ok, but killing other human beings is not.
Then I can argue saying "Abortion not ok, executing adults is ok."
Most interestingly the same right wing nuts who are so pro-life are the biggest advocates of capital punishment.
Then I can argue saying "Abortion not ok, executing adults is ok."
Most interestingly the same right wing nuts who are so pro-life are the biggest advocates of capital punishment.
And yet left wing crazies hate capital punishment even though those people have proven they have no regard for the law to the point of killing others and yet killing unborn babies is perfectly fine.
dfighter
07-08-2010, 07:17 AM
And yet left wing crazies hate capital punishment even though those people have proven they have no regard for the law to the point of killing others and yet killing unborn babies is perfectly fine.
Neither is fine. A fetus is part of a woman's body, up until birth.
As long as the fetus is incapable of surviving on it's own it should be the woman's choice whether she wants to keep the baby or not.
However obviously it's much more preferred to prevent the unwanted pregnancy from happening than terminating it.
Also I don't really get how dare especially a christian take away someone else's life. No matter what they did. What about turn the other cheek and forgiving?
I'd much rather put those people to work so they earn their keep, rather than put them to death.
EDIT:
Also let's not forget that NO ONE forces anyone to terminate a pregnancy.
However in the case of executions, the state basically forcibly puts people to death.
You really have to see the difference...
Neither is fine. A fetus is part of a woman's body, up until birth.
As long as the fetus is incapable of surviving on it's own it should be the woman's choice whether she wants to keep the baby or not.
However obviously it's much more preferred to prevent the unwanted pregnancy from happening than terminating it.
Also I don't really get how dare especially a christian take away someone else's life. No matter what they did. What about turn the other cheek and forgiving?
I'd much rather put those people to work so they earn their keep, rather than put them to death.
EDIT:
Also let's not forget that NO ONE forces anyone to terminate a pregnancy.
However in the case of executions, the state basically forcibly puts people to death.
You really have to see the difference...
I would like to see prisoners split trash up for their sentence, but Liberals say that is cruel and unusual punishment. You do that long enough, you won't want to go to prison.
dfighter
07-08-2010, 08:38 AM
I would like to see prisoners split trash up for their sentence, but Liberals say that is cruel and unusual punishment. You do that long enough, you won't want to go to prison.
You will have to excuse me but my English fails me. I have no idea what you mean by the expression "split trash up".
Either way:
http://img138.imageshack.us/img138/3518/sheriffarpaioprisonersp.jpg
An eye for an eye and the whole world goes blind.
I personally don't really feel one way or the other about the death penalty, like rotting away in a concrete and iron cube until the day you die is any less cruel, I'd like to know who thought of that. "Well we won't fry them in this here chair the pumps massive amounts of electricity through someone, but well let them waste away for half a century in prison."
It seems like a matter of whether you've been wronged or not, people against capital punishment think it's the most horrific thing ever happen but as soon as they become the family of a murder or a rape victim they are out for blood.
dfighter
07-08-2010, 03:49 PM
It seems like a matter of whether you've been wronged or not, people against capital punishment think it's the most horrific thing ever happen but as soon as they become the family of a murder or a rape victim they are out for blood.
That's why in civilized countries the victims have no say in the punishment.
You will have to excuse me but my English fails me. I have no idea what you mean by the expression "split trash up".
Either way:
http://img138.imageshack.us/img138/3518/sheriffarpaioprisonersp.jpg
You know, taking trash and categorizing it to at least attempt to slow to us fucking up the environment as bad. Would you really wanna commit a crime and go to jail just to do that for your entire sentence?
mattatheos
07-08-2010, 08:59 PM
Read above.
No, really expo, show me where I said that.
http://img.chan4chan.com/img/2009-09-22/1253600174030.jpg
dfighter
07-09-2010, 01:45 AM
You know, taking trash and categorizing it to at least attempt to slow to us fucking up the environment as bad. Would you really wanna commit a crime and go to jail just to do that for your entire sentence?
Ok thanks, now I understand. I'd not have them do that either. Not profitable enough. Mine work, that's what they should do (or similar).
http://img.chan4chan.com/img/2009-09-22/1253600174030.jpg
Denying something that you can't disprove is not logical at all.
mattatheos
07-09-2010, 01:50 AM
http://img.chan4chan.com/img/2009-09-22/1253600174030.jpg
I love it!
Denying something that you can't disprove is not logical at all.
Denying something that hasn't been proven is logical.
mattatheos
07-09-2010, 01:57 AM
Denying something that hasn't been proven is logical.
Sounds right to me! ^^
dfighter
07-09-2010, 02:02 AM
Denying something that hasn't been proven is logical.
It's not. You cannot deny something that you can't prove or disprove.
Go to any technical or science college and you will find it out soon enough.
All you can say is that you don't know, and that you don't think it exists. Just like I do.
mattatheos
07-09-2010, 02:04 AM
It's not. You cannot deny something that you can't prove or disprove.
Go to any technical or science college and you will find it out soon enough.
All you can say is that you don't know, and that you don't think it exists. Just like I do.
Wouldn't that mean that you can't deny God? And if so, wouldn't that mean that you have to like think he is there and kind of believe in him because you can't deny or reject him? Maybe I'm just really, really confused...
dfighter
07-09-2010, 02:07 AM
Wouldn't that mean that you can't deny God? And if so, wouldn't that mean that you have to like think he is there and kind of believe in him because you can't deny or reject him? Maybe I'm just really, really confused...
You can't deny God. You cannot simply reject the idea.
However you can believe that it doesn't exist. Believing or not believing is one's own choice.
I chose not to believe, as I am a realistic person. When I see conclusive evidence I will believe it.
mattatheos
07-09-2010, 02:12 AM
You can't deny God. You cannot simply reject the idea.
However you can believe that it doesn't exist. Believing or not believing is one's own choice.
I chose not to believe, as I am a realistic person. When I see conclusive evidence I will believe it.
So for someone to say that God doesn't exist, simply out of their own personal opinions, beliefs, and views, is illogical?
dfighter
07-09-2010, 02:16 AM
So for someone to say that God doesn't exist, simply out of their own personal opinions, beliefs, and views, is illogical?
Put that way it is. Claiming that something doesn't exist when you can't prove it, is illogical.
However you can say that in your opinion it doesn't exist.
Notice the difference. ^^
You can't deny God. You cannot simply reject the idea.
However you can believe that it doesn't exist. Believing or not believing is one's own choice.
I chose not to believe, as I am a realistic person. When I see conclusive evidence I will believe it.
I don't understand how one cannot reject an ideal of another person or group of people, that just doesn't make much sense to me.
It's not. You cannot deny something that you can't prove or disprove.
Go to any technical or science college and you will find it out soon enough.
All you can say is that you don't know, and that you don't think it exists. Just like I do.
My mind doesn't function like that. To me something either is, or it isn't. Until it is, then it isn't.
In short: Until something is proven to exist, it doesn't exist.
mattatheos
07-09-2010, 02:24 AM
I don't understand how one cannot reject an ideal of another person or group of people, that just doesn't make much sense to me.
My mind doesn't function like that. To me something either is, or it isn't. Until it is, then it isn't.
In short: Until something is proven to exist, it doesn't exist.
I like Syke's view, that makes a whole lot more sense then your's dfighter.
dfighter
07-09-2010, 02:31 AM
I don't understand how one cannot reject an ideal of another person or group of people, that just doesn't make much sense to me.
My mind doesn't function like that. To me something either is, or it isn't. Until it is, then it isn't.
In short: Until something is proven to exist, it doesn't exist.
You are not much of a reasonable and logical mind then :P
mattatheos
07-09-2010, 02:34 AM
You are not much of a reasonable and logical mind then :P
How isn't he? Syke is one of the most sane, reasonable, logical, smart, and level-headed individuals I know.
dfighter
07-09-2010, 02:37 AM
How isn't he? Syke is one of the most sane, reasonable, logical, smart, and level-headed individuals I know.
Because logic and reason dictate that you can't claim that something doesn't exist until you can back your claim with evidence.
You are not much of a reasonable and logical mind then :P
Opinionated I may be, but i don't see how my refusal to buy into religion due to a lack of irrefutable proof make me illogical.
Faded
07-09-2010, 02:43 AM
http://img.chan4chan.com/img/2009-09-22/1253600174030.jpg
Win.
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