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Abortion is quite a hot topic in the USA, so what are your thoughts on it?
Ever since Roe v. Wade back in 1973 everyone has been in an uproar about abortion and they've been trying to reverse the ruling (for those of you unfamiliar with Roe v. Wade, the final ruling was that abortion is legal).
My standing on the matter; I'm for it, I believe it's a woman's choice whether or not to have a baby.
Let's hear your standing.
Unlimited
05-05-2010, 09:23 PM
It's an embryotic cell. Not a human being that has perception. Without perception you do not have your 'mental' abilities. And so, you are practically nothing but a breathing pile of turd until developed. So abortion is not criminal. It is absolutely scientifically fair.
TheMagic
05-06-2010, 02:12 AM
Against. What if your mother killed you? Do you enjoy living? If you answer No that's not normal
Against. What if your mother killed you? Do you enjoy living? If you answer No that's not normal
A fetus is not alive until it is out of the mothers womb and has drawn breath, until then it is essentially no more than a parasite living off the mother.
Besides, legally the government can't tell you what to do with your body. To outlaw abortion would be a blatant violation of that. Because if abortion were illegal then that would force all women to have a child they maybe don't want. I know, you say "well, there is adoption"; that's true, but what if the woman was raped? If you were a woman who is a rape victim would you want to carry around the reminder of your rape for 9 months? Give birth and allow it to enter this world? I would think not. I wouldn't.
A fetus is not alive until it is out of the mothers womb and has drawn breath, until then it is essentially no more than a parasite living off the mother.
Besides, legally the government can't tell you what to do with your body. To outlaw abortion would be a blatant violation of that. Because if abortion were illegal then that would force all women to have a child they maybe don't want. I know, you say "well, there is adoption"; that's true, but what if the woman was raped? If you were a woman who is a rape victim would you want to carry around the reminder of your rape for 9 months? Give birth and allow it to enter this world? I would think not. I wouldn't.
Scientifically that is incorrect. A fetus is alive within a few weeks. And there is a threshold where doctors and scientists agree it is a living human being. And unless you are ok with murder, you should say no.
Scientifically that is incorrect. A fetus is alive within a few weeks. And there is a threshold where doctors and scientists agree it is a living human being. And unless you are ok with murder, you should say no.
I thought you hated science? Anyhow it is legally correct. That's how murder of a baby is determined in court cases. If it didn't draw a breath, it wasn't alive therefore it was not murder. Abortion is not a matter of what is scientifically accurate it's a matter of legality.
TheMagic
05-07-2010, 02:07 AM
The fetus is made up of cells which are alive, the fetus is alive. Their way of thinking in the court is that if the baby is born it's a human and it's considered murder. I don't agree with that, I think as soon as a baby is one cell, it's considered human. But really why would you want to support abortion? What if you were the one being aborted? I'm sure most people here like living.
I thought you hated science? Anyhow it is legally correct. That's how murder of a baby is determined in court cases. If it didn't draw a breath, it wasn't alive therefore it was not murder. Abortion is not a matter of what is scientifically accurate it's a matter of legality.
Would you be so kind to link where I said I hated science? No, murder is not legally correct. Just because it doesn't breath oxygen, doesn't mean it isn't a human being. It is a matter of science to prove what is and isn't human. Unless you take pride in killing a defenseless unborn human being?
Would you be so kind to link where I said I hated science? No, murder is not legally correct. Just because it doesn't breath oxygen, doesn't mean it isn't a human being. It is a matter of science to prove what is and isn't human. Unless you take pride in killing a defenseless unborn human being?
I didn't say you actually said that you hated science, but in the other threads that kind of the message I was getting when you claimed science is mostly theory and "because I said so" among other things.
In court trials, when someone is being prosecuted for murdering their child, the way something like that is deemed murder or not is if the baby had taken a breath or not. If the baby took at least 1 breath of oxygen it was legally alive, it it never took a breath it's not classified as a living human being therefore terminating it (e.g. abortion) is not murder by law.
I agree with it 100% though. If it is incapable of surviving outside of the womb (such is the case early in the pregnancy. I am no expert on human gestation so I don't know how many months along a woman needs to be for a premature baby to survive, however.) then it should not be classified as alive.
Unlimited
05-07-2010, 02:42 AM
I wish you people could read my message. Then you wouldn't be arguing about this shit. They have no mental perception! They can not think or experience. Therefore, they are not the same under any circumstances.
I didn't say you actually said that you hated science, but in the other threads that kind of the message I was getting when you claimed science is mostly theory and "because I said so" among other things.
In court trials, when someone is being prosecuted for murdering their child, the way something like that is deemed murder or not is if the baby had taken a breath or not. If the baby took at least 1 breath of oxygen it was legally alive, it it never took a breath it's not classified as a living human being therefore terminating it (e.g. abortion) is not murder by law.
I agree with it 100% though. If it is incapable of surviving outside of the womb (such is the case early in the pregnancy. I am no expert on human gestation so I don't know how many months along a woman needs to be for a premature baby to survive, however.) then it should not be classified as alive.
I am not claiming science is mostly theory. I stated factual information.
Here is the problem. What is to say you are human? Because you can breath? I'd love for you to post the source that says it isn't human until it breaths at least once.
That is like saying you aren't human because you can't live outside in -40 degree weather.
I am not claiming science is mostly theory. I stated factual information.
Here is the problem. What is to say you are human? Because you can breath? I'd love for you to post the source that says it isn't human until it breaths at least once.
That is like saying you aren't human because you can't live outside in -40 degree weather.
I never said it wasn't a human because it hand't taken a breath. I said it's not alive. One does not need to be alive to be human. A morgue is has humans in it but they don't breathe, consequently they are also not alive.
A fetus is human yes, but not a living human.
Against. What if your mother killed you? Do you enjoy living? If you answer No that's not normal
Well, what if you were a Girl and i'd rape you?
Hope you enjoy having my kids.
I never said it wasn't a human because it hand't taken a breath. I said it's not alive. One does not need to be alive to be human. A morgue is has humans in it but they don't breathe, consequently they are also not alive.
A fetus is human yes, but not a living human.
It has a beating heart. Bodies in a morgue don't have beating hearts. Every living human's heart beats. Every dead human's heart doesn't beat. Therefore, a fetus with a heartbeat is alive. You are trying to justify murder. Stop it, you are only weakening your side.
And if a fetus isn't alive, it is dead.
It has a beating heart. Bodies in a morgue don't have beating hearts. Every living human's heart beats. Every dead human's heart doesn't beat. Therefore, a fetus with a heartbeat is alive. You are trying to justify murder. Stop it, you are only weakening your side.
And if a fetus isn't alive, it is dead.
Just because it has a heartbeat means nothing. People in hospitals who are vegetables have the life support machines doing all the work, it's simply an external force causing minimalistic bodily functions such as oxygenating the blood, feeding, etc.
The same thing goes for the fetus, the mother is the life support machine (metaphorically) and without the mother the fetus would be just a pile of tissue in the shape of a partially formed baby.
If abortion is murder than a spouse deciding to take wife/husband off their life support is also murder.
Just because it has a heartbeat means nothing. People in hospitals who are vegetables have the life support machines doing all the work, it's simply an external force causing minimalistic bodily functions such as oxygenating the blood, feeding, etc.
The same thing goes for the fetus, the mother is the life support machine (metaphorically) and without the mother the fetus would be just a pile of tissue in the shape of a partially formed baby.
If abortion is murder than a spouse deciding to take wife/husband off their life support is also murder.
How many humans do you see functioning without a heart or a substitute for it?
You are still trying to justify murder. So, what makes a human alive?
You do know there is controversy over that as well?
How many humans do you see functioning without a heart or a substitute for it?
You are still trying to justify murder. So, what makes a human alive?
You do know there is controversy over that as well?
I'm not trying to justify murder. Because abortion isn't murder. A fetus isn't alive it's basically a parasite.
What makes a human alive? Brain activity. Even coma patients have some brain activity. Corpses in the morgue, do not, fetus does not.
A fetus is not alive, and if it's not alive it's not murder.
brathus
05-07-2010, 11:08 PM
ok back on subject, I think abortions are right and wrong, They are right because if a girl was not ready to have a baby they should not be forced to, due to the fact they can be too young, they can die giving birth, and so can the baby.
On the other hand i think its wrong not giving something a chance, the fact they are not living or living is irrelevant because its still giving up on "something", The idea your giving up on a "possible" baby is bad.
Discuss~
ok back on subject, I think abortions are right and wrong, They are right because if a girl was not ready to have a baby they should not be forced to, due to the fact they can be too young, they can die giving birth, and so can the baby.
On the other hand i think its wrong not giving something a chance, the fact they are not living or living is irrelevant because its still giving up on "something", The idea your giving up on a "possible" baby is bad.
Discuss~
It's not giving up on, it's prevention. You don't quit before something can occur, you stop it from curring all together.
Aside from the fact that it's not murder and to make it illegal would be unconstitutional and a violation of our rights... The world has enough dumbfucks as it is, we don't need to run the risk of creating more.
I'm not trying to justify murder. Because abortion isn't murder. A fetus isn't alive it's basically a parasite.
What makes a human alive? Brain activity. Even coma patients have some brain activity. Corpses in the morgue, do not, fetus does not.
A fetus is not alive, and if it's not alive it's not murder.
A fetus isn't a parasite. It is part of procreation. A fetus is alive. It is murder.
Lol, you still lose. There is brain additivity in fetuses. Nice try. Also, by your definition, a person is still alive as long as there is brain activity. The body can function for a short period of time without the brain.
A fetus is alive, therefore it is murder.
It's not giving up on, it's prevention. You don't quit before something can occur, you stop it from curring all together.
Aside from the fact that it's not murder and to make it illegal would be unconstitutional and a violation of our rights... The world has enough dumbfucks as it is, we don't need to run the risk of creating more.
And yet it is. And to legalize it would be just as much unconstitutional and a violation of our rights. Yes, and that is why I suggest you get sterilized as soon as you can.
ok back on subject, I think abortions are right and wrong, They are right because if a girl was not ready to have a baby they should not be forced to, due to the fact they can be too young, they can die giving birth, and so can the baby.
On the other hand i think its wrong not giving something a chance, the fact they are not living or living is irrelevant because its still giving up on "something", The idea your giving up on a "possible" baby is bad.
Discuss~
Syke has a disregard for human life. It justifies murder as long as the it thinks the it's personal guidelines are met. Whats the difference between Hitler and Syke? Good question.
TheMagic
05-08-2010, 01:35 AM
Adoption home, there's plenty of people who want babies
Well, what if you were a Girl and i'd rape you?
Hope you enjoy having my kids.
A fetus isn't a parasite. It is part of procreation. A fetus is alive. It is murder.
Lol, you still lose. There is brain additivity in fetuses. Nice try. Also, by your definition, a person is still alive as long as there is brain activity. The body can function for a short period of time without the brain.
A fetus is alive, therefore it is murder.
My person belief is that it is not alive. This could go on for ages and we will never agree, just like religion.
And yet it is. And to legalize it would be just as much unconstitutional and a violation of our rights. Yes, and that is why I suggest you get sterilized as soon as you can.
How would it be unconstitutional and a violation of our rights to terminate a pregnancy? According to the law (doesn't matter who agrees with this or not) a fetus is not alive until it has taken a breath. And a human does not have rights unless it is alive. That being said a baby still in the womb has no rights.
But about the sterilization... I have a daughter already (she turns 1 on June 14th) and I plan to have at least 1 more some time in the future.
Syke has a disregard for human life. It justifies murder as long as the it thinks the it's personal guidelines are met. Whats the difference between Hitler and Syke? Good question.
You got me there. I really do have a complete disregard for most peoples lives (seriously, I'm not lying, there I very few people I care about), I'd kill another human being if the mad me mad enough...
But what's the difference between Hitler and I? I wouldn't kill a Jew just because they are Jewish, and genocide isn't my thing.
TheMagic
05-08-2010, 02:22 AM
It is alive, just pro-abortionist don't consider it human, anti-abortionists do.
My person belief is that it is not alive. This could go on for ages and we will never agree, just like religion.
It is alive, just pro-abortionist don't consider it human, anti-abortionists do.
Perhaps I didn't state this clearly enough.
Abortion is legal as of Roe vs. Wade in 1973. The reason the Supreme Court ruled it legal? Because the government of the United States of America can NOT tell any individual what they may or may not do to their person, it violates to Constitution and the individuals rights.
Legally, it is not murder for 1 reason and 1 reason alone. A baby is NOT alive until it has been born AND drawn a breath of air. It has nothing to do with anyone opinion about anything.
Get it? It's about what is or is not legal/constitutional. Not your opinion or beliefs.
The only way Roe vs. Wade will get reversed is when the Supreme Court is full of biased judges with their heads so far up their asses that it would take an army of the world's best surgeons to remove it. So long as judges can retain some common sense can keep their personal standing on the matter out of the ruling people like you and expo are S.O.L. when it comes to outlawing abortion.
The extremist pro-life fucksticks are just as bad as extremist bible humpers like Stipt, in the sense that they need to be put to death immediately.
TheMagic
05-08-2010, 03:05 AM
I never said anything about me thinking that it was murder, the Federal govt doesn't consider it murder though but that doesn't mean other people don't. I do consider it murder but I'm not one of those anti-abortionists you see running around with a picket sign.
pointblank65
05-08-2010, 03:56 AM
It has a beating heart. Bodies in a morgue don't have beating hearts. Every living human's heart beats. Every dead human's heart doesn't beat. Therefore, a fetus with a heartbeat is alive. You are trying to justify murder. Stop it, you are only weakening your side.
And if a fetus isn't alive, it is dead.
The generally accepted definition for death is when the brain stops functioning. It generally isn't controversial to pull the plug on someone when they are brain dead, as there is no coming back. You can keep someone alive via machines if the brain still functions; however, we can't (at this moment, presumably never) keep someone alive with an artificial brain.
Typical human brain patterns don't start developing until approximately the middle of the seventh month.
The reason this makes it's way into every ethics class is because each side has equally valid points and it is just a giant gray area. Should a 15 year old girl who was raped be forced to go through a pregnancy? When does human life actually begin? Should a child who was raped by her father be punished for her father's transgressions?
I for one am for abortion under certain circumstances. It would be irresponsible to say that abortion is always wrong, under every circumstance. It should be option on a case by case basis.
And if a fetus isn't alive, it is dead.
To be dead implies it was once alive. A tree stump, is dead because it was once a living tree. Once could even argue a pencil is dead (that's pushing it though) because it's made of wood, and that wood came from a tree.
A keyboard, mouse (computer mouse) a cup or a soda can are not dead, because they were never alive.
If something is not alive that doesn't automatically make it dead, depending on the item in question it can be either dead or an inanimate object. Since a fetus was never alive it qualifies as the latter.
TheMagic
05-08-2010, 04:42 AM
Have you taken biology?
WTF?!?! :S
A fetus comes from a embryo which comes from a zygote, a zygote is a cell. A cell is the 'smallest unit of life that is classified as a living thing'. Are you seriously trying to say cells aren't alive?
Have you taken biology?
WTF?!?! :S
A fetus comes from a embryo which comes from a zygote, a zygote is a cell. A cell is the 'smallest unit of life that is classified as a living thing'. Are you seriously trying to say cells aren't alive?
No? Unless a fetus is now a cell, then yes.
According to the law (doesn't matter who agrees with this or not) a fetus is not alive until it has taken a breath.
Its funny how you run around this. Where is the law that states this?
I made my post super simple so you might be able to comprehend it this time.
No? Unless a fetus is now a cell, then yes.
A fetus is a large accumulation of living cells. That would make it living. Unless you would like to bring up more outlandish ideas about what is alive and what isn't.
A fetus is a large accumulation of living cells. That would make it living. Unless you would like to bring up more outlandish ideas about what is alive and what isn't.
Okay, I can do that for you. Trees aren't alive either. Why you ask? Because they don't move.
Was that outlandish enough for you?
If you are curious as to why I just avoided that post, it's because abortion is a matter or legality, not science (me, not going off science? Shocking I know.
Its funny how you run around this. Where is the law that states this?
I made my post super simple so you might be able to comprehend it this time.
Oh, how cute. You think implying I have the comprehension skills of a starfish affects me in anyway.
If you want the text on where it says that you can go look it up, I don't intend on spending months of my life reading every legal text ever written and attending law school.
One of my uncle's works as a cop for Special Victims (yes, just like Law & Order: Special Victims Unit) and when he testifies in court, the same statement I've been "running around" since my second or third post in this thread is the method the court uses to determine if a mother actually murdered he child or not.
@ The random fucktard spamming my thread: FUCK OFF! No one cares about your gay ass website.
Okay, I can do that for you. Trees aren't alive either. Why you ask? Because they don't move.
Was that outlandish enough for you?
If you are curious as to why I just avoided that post, it's because abortion is a matter or legality, not science (me, not going off science? Shocking I know.
Oh, how cute. You think implying I have the comprehension skills of a starfish affects me in anyway.
If you want the text on where it says that you can go look it up, I don't intend on spending months of my life reading every legal text ever written and attending law school.
One of my uncle's works as a cop for Special Victims (yes, just like Law & Order: Special Victims Unit) and when he testifies in court, the same statement I've been "running around" since my second or third post in this thread is the method the court uses to determine if a mother actually murdered he child or not.
@ The random fucktard spamming my thread: FUCK OFF! No one cares about your gay ass website.
Syke, you are so illogical. It is quite hilarious that this is far from intellectual discussion. I am not even surprised that you have still failed to answer my question.
Illogical? No, you just don't get what I'm saying.
And if you are referring to the "Where is the law that states this?" question I answered that.
Illogical? No, you just don't get what I'm saying.
And if you are referring to the "Where is the law that states this?" question I answered that.
You can't accept that you are only making sense in your head. This is the real world. You fail to grasp this.
Someone my uncle works with said this and that. I asked for the law, not something you pulled out of your ass. Post where it states in law, or shut your stupid fucking mouth.
You can't accept that you are only making sense in your head. This is the real world. You fail to grasp this.
I fail to grasp nothing. I said many times now it's not a matter of science, it's a matter of the law. Similar to how religion is not a matter of anything but science, or how gay rights is also a matter of the law and not opinion or religion.
Someone my uncle works with said this and that. I asked for the law, not something you pulled out of your ass. Post where it states in law,
If you bothered to read what I typed, I said my uncle works for special victims, I've been to more than 1 hearing, it's not a "friend of a friend of a friend heard from this guy" situation, it's what I know. I'm not a lawyer and I haven't read the constitution, state or federal law, you want it, you can go find it. I said this already.
or shut your stupid fucking mouth.
No need for such hostility now. Does Mr Grumpy pants need a big bear hug?
Seriously that was uncalled for. You have this backwards, you think you are king of everything and hence forth every word spoken by anyone else is a load of dribble that would take a bulldozer to move all that bullshit.
You are just like stoneharry, an arrogant prick who puts himself so high above everyone else you have lost your grasp of reality, you should get your head out of the clouds for a little and come hang out back on Earth for a little bit.
TheMagic
05-08-2010, 04:57 PM
It is a cell! Millions of cells, it's alive
No? Unless a fetus is now a cell, then yes.
I fail to grasp nothing. I said many times now it's not a matter of science, it's a matter of the law. Similar to how religion is not a matter of anything but science, or how gay rights is also a matter of the law and not opinion or religion.
Actually, homosexuality isn't always about law. You are derailing from the conversation. This isn't anything about gay rights.
If you bothered to read what I typed, I said my uncle works for special victims, I've been to more than 1 hearing, it's not a "friend of a friend of a friend heard from this guy" situation, it's what I know. I'm not a lawyer and I haven't read the constitution, state or federal law, you want it, you can go find it. I said this already.
It seems you didn't read what I had said. You have produced zero proof that your uncle works for anything. You have failed to prove of any hearings about this. The burden of proof is on you. You say it exists in law. Well, prove it, or for now it is non-existent. If you say there is law about it. Prove it. Otherwise, you are making it up. Your word holds no merit when you lack any tiny piece of evidence.
No need for such hostility now. Does Mr Grumpy pants need a big bear hug?
Seriously that was uncalled for. You have this backwards, you think you are king of everything and hence forth every word spoken by anyone else is a load of dribble that would take a bulldozer to move all that bullshit.
You are just like stoneharry, an arrogant prick who puts himself so high above everyone else you have lost your grasp of reality, you should get your head out of the clouds for a little and come hang out back on Earth for a little bit.
Angry now, are you? Why hold animosity?
I have nothing backwards. You are sorely mistaken. I am simply asking for proof. And like always, you are incapable of doing so.
I am not like stoneharry. You are just unhappy that I am using logical analysis for this situation and it is debunking every comment you make. Of course, you will deny this further digging a hole that you might not be able to get out of with your dignity. I think it is quite hilarious that when I said you should shut your fucking mouth, you said "Does Mr Grumpy pants need a big bear hug?
". And yet you are calling me a prick because you are highly butthurt. Please, cry more, your tears fuel me.
TheMagic
05-08-2010, 05:26 PM
Change your font color, seriously
Change your font color, seriously
Why?
Actually, homosexuality isn't always about law. You are derailing from the conversation. This isn't anything about gay rights.
Please tell me, what is being gay about? Last I checked gay right had to do with legal issues. Also thank you Captain Obvious, I had no idea abortion wasn't the same as being a fag, you saved the day once more with you infinite knowledge. Not.
It seems you didn't read what I had said. You have produced zero proof that your uncle works for anything. You have failed to prove of any hearings about this. The burden of proof is on you. You say it exists in law. Well, prove it, or for now it is non-existent. If you say there is law about it. Prove it. Otherwise, you are making it up. Your word holds no merit when you lack any tiny piece of evidence.
What the fuck do you want me to do? Video tape him arresting a rapist? Or perhaps wind back time and videotape the court hearings? Do you have anymore retarded ass suggestions?
I'm going to say it one more time in the hopes it can driven into your abnormally thick skull.
I AM NOT A LAWYER AND I HAVE NOT READ BOOKS ON THE LAW. I SPEAK FROM PERSON EXPERIENCE ON THIS MATTER. IF YOU WANT TO KNOW WHERE THE LAW STATES IT GO FIND IT YOURSELF
I'm not wasting my time looking for something you will dismiss anyway for who knows what retarded reason you could justify in your head.
I laughed my ass of about you busting a vein raging about how I need to prove something, as I recall in my religion thread all you did was flip shit about how there is no proof of anything apparently, no proof the early is about 4 billion years old or the dinosaurs etc. This just reinforces my assumption, you just disagree with me because I said it. If I told you the sky was blue you'd instantly remark I'm a dumbfuck and rant on for 3 pages about how it's actually green and I'm just color blind.
Angry now, are you? Why hold animosity?
I have nothing backwards. You are sorely mistaken. I am simply asking for proof. And like always, you are incapable of doing so.
I am not like stoneharry. You are just unhappy that I am using logical analysis for this situation and it is debunking every comment you make. Of course, you will deny this further digging a hole that you might not be able to get out of with your dignity. I think it is quite hilarious that when I said you should shut your fucking mouth, you said "Does Mr Grumpy pants need a big bear hug?
". And yet you are calling me a prick because you are highly butthurt. Please, cry more, your tears fuel me.
I'm angry? Not really, you are the angry one this time pal. You may also be asking for proof but like in every other encounter I've had with arrogant ass you refuse to accept anything I say because you are up on your throne where reality does not apply to you.
You use logic analysis? Right, saying the opposite of what I've been saying this whole time is definitely logic and reasoning. You fail to provide proof on your standing. Instead you think rebutting me with the opposite of what I just said makes you seem intelligent.
You seem to think you are some kind of badass though, always saying "cry more butthurt kid". You incorrectly assessed the situation, no one is crying nor is anyone butthurt, you just can't of something half intelligent to say so you rely on half-assed totally irrelevant insults in the hopes the maybe I'll want to go slit my wrists in a corner somewhere crying about the mean man says bad things to me.
P.S. You should learn what sarcasm is, because when I said "Do you need a hug?" that was sarcasm. And you are right, you aren't like stoneharry, stoneharry is like you. You as so arrogant you mentor him in the ways of always being right if only in your own distorted reality.
From now on I'm just going to ignore you, just as in my other thread you don't hear a word I say because you are so high and mighty everyone else is but mere scum you would scrape from your shoe.
TheMagic
05-08-2010, 09:21 PM
What theme are you using? I'm using Pulse, orange on white kills my eyes
Why?
Please tell me, what is being gay about? Last I checked gay right had to do with legal issues. Also thank you Captain Obvious, I had no idea abortion wasn't the same as being a fag, you saved the day once more with you infinite knowledge. Not.
What the fuck do you want me to do? Video tape him arresting a rapist? Or perhaps wind back time and videotape the court hearings? Do you have anymore retarded ass suggestions?
I'm going to say it one more time in the hopes it can driven into your abnormally thick skull.
I AM NOT A LAWYER AND I HAVE NOT READ BOOKS ON THE LAW. I SPEAK FROM PERSON EXPERIENCE ON THIS MATTER. IF YOU WANT TO KNOW WHERE THE LAW STATES IT GO FIND IT YOURSELF
I'm not wasting my time looking for something you will dismiss anyway for who knows what retarded reason you could justify in your head.
I laughed my ass of about you busting a vein raging about how I need to prove something, as I recall in my religion thread all you did was flip shit about how there is no proof of anything apparently, no proof the early is about 4 billion years old or the dinosaurs etc. This just reinforces my assumption, you just disagree with me because I said it. If I told you the sky was blue you'd instantly remark I'm a dumbfuck and rant on for 3 pages about how it's actually green and I'm just color blind.
I'm angry? Not really, you are the angry one this time pal. You may also be asking for proof but like in every other encounter I've had with arrogant ass you refuse to accept anything I say because you are up on your throne where reality does not apply to you.
You use logic analysis? Right, saying the opposite of what I've been saying this whole time is definitely logic and reasoning. You fail to provide proof on your standing. Instead you think rebutting me with the opposite of what I just said makes you seem intelligent.
You seem to think you are some kind of badass though, always saying "cry more butthurt kid". You incorrectly assessed the situation, no one is crying nor is anyone butthurt, you just can't of something half intelligent to say so you rely on half-assed totally irrelevant insults in the hopes the maybe I'll want to go slit my wrists in a corner somewhere crying about the mean man says bad things to me.
P.S. You should learn what sarcasm is, because when I said "Do you need a hug?" that was sarcasm. And you are right, you aren't like stoneharry, stoneharry is like you. You as so arrogant you mentor him in the ways of always being right if only in your own distorted reality.
From now on I'm just going to ignore you, just as in my other thread you don't hear a word I say because you are so high and mighty everyone else is but mere scum you would scrape from your shoe.
/inaftersyke'snerdragementalretardationandincoheren tgibberish
Lol, your argument is the same as religion and science. Because I said so. You lose.
You wish.
You failed to prove anything. Prove the law is real or you lose.
You failed to prove anything. Prove the law is real or you lose.
I'm saying this 1 more time and 1 more time only. So read very, very carefully.
GO FIND IT YOURSELF
I am NOT reading through a shit load of law books for you. I know this from personal experience, not reading it so I have no reference to any text. Aside from that the normal response for any other human being would be to go research something if they are skeptical of it.
I don't care if you believe me or not because I know it's true and I don't need to explain myself to some arrogant ass who thinks they are so great and so high above everyone else you get off to pictures of yourself.
I'm saying this 1 more time and 1 more time only. So read very, very carefully.
GO FIND IT YOURSELF
I am NOT reading through a shit load of law books for you. I know this from personal experience, not reading it so I have no reference to any text. Aside from that the normal response for any other human being would be to go research something if they are skeptical of it.
I don't care if you believe me or not because I know it's true and I don't need to explain myself to some arrogant ass who thinks they are so great and so high above everyone else you get off to pictures of yourself.
You failed to prove anything. Prove the law is real or you lose. IF YOU REFUSE TO PROVE IT, THEN IT IS NOT IN LAW! PROVE IT OR YOU LIED!
Hex00010
05-09-2010, 03:00 PM
Seriously who really gives a fuck?
I mean if you look at it from a religious point of view God kills baby's anyways SO what would be the diff of a human killing the child?
Some babies get born and the so called fucked up faggit GOD/jesus up there randomly kills them he uses us like a fucking toy
So fucking tell me what the diff is if a person has sex gets a baby and ask for it to be killed
who gives a fuck that damm baby was going to die some day or later why not just stop the trouble now and save time and money :)
Thats all i fucking hear about all godam day abortion this abortion that WHO GIVES A FUCK ITS NOT UR LIFE ITS NOT URS TO RUN IT BACK THE FUCK OFFF AND LET THEM DO WHAT THE FUCK THEY WANT
Adoption home, there's plenty of people who want babies
A way to ruin someone's childhood.
Adoption Home is not a good place.
cyberbritt
05-09-2010, 08:43 PM
My meaning is for abortion. This is bye the facts. If a girl got raped, it needs ways to fix upp in some of this. To have a rapers child aint cool atleast my meanin and if she were to young or not ready(in studies , jobb) it can effect realy bad.
I got a source for the laws in atleast my country : Kingdom of Norway.
http://no.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abort
I have translated the law for you from that site, i know it can be wrong information on wikipedia, and that you may want some other source.
§ 2 Here it is the conditions that must be satisfied for an abortion procedure should be legal: Before 12 week of pregnancy can a woman make the decision themselves. After 12 weeks may be granted an abortion by a committee, if one of these criteria are met:
a) there is a risk of a woman's physical or mental health
b) the woman has a difficult life situation
c) there is great risk of disease in the child (also called "eugenic indication")
d) the pregnancy results from rape or incest
e) the mother has mental illness or mental retardation
You failed to prove anything. Prove the law is real or you lose. IF YOU REFUSE TO PROVE IT, THEN IT IS NOT IN LAW! PROVE IT OR YOU LIED!
You really can't read can you?
I told you I don't know how many times now but 99% of my knowledge of the law is firsthand experience, like the Miranda Rights (yeah, I've been arrested a few times, so what?), Sobriety tests (been in the car with a drunk guy driving before), but most importantly when a fetus is considered alive or not in a court hearing. I have not read it in a law book or on the internet, so I DO NOT HAVE A LINK OR A QUOTE TO REFERENCE IT! The only viable way for me to prove this would be A to go back in time and videotape a court hearing, or B read through everything about abortion or pregnancy I find for you until I come to that part. B is not even about to occur because I'm not wasting my time for you, and A is impossible.
So go look for it yourself you stupid inbred motherfucker. Just because you are too god damned lazy to Google something doesn't mean I have to, and just because I refuse to Google something to appease your ever so large ego doesn't mean I'm incorrect or a liar, it just means you are afraid of being wrong so you don't Google it.
dfighter
05-10-2010, 12:21 AM
The same people who call abortion murder in the USA are the same people who are ok with execution and ok with shooting their neighbor with their 2nd amendment provided gun for laying a toe on their land. I just thought I'd point out the irony.
My opinion on the matter:
A woman should have the right to decide what to do with her body, to an extent. Obviously killing off a baby that could be capable of living is out of the question, however until then ( it's about 6months of pregnancy if I remember correctly) the woman should have the right to terminate the pregnancy.
However everything should be done against it. If there is no medical risk or the pregnancy is not a result of rape then the state and the doctors should do pretty much everything to convince the mother to give birth to the child and help her raise them.
You really can't read can you?
I told you I don't know how many times now but 99% of my knowledge of the law is firsthand experience, like the Miranda Rights (yeah, I've been arrested a few times, so what?), Sobriety tests (been in the car with a drunk guy driving before), but most importantly when a fetus is considered alive or not in a court hearing. I have not read it in a law book or on the internet, so I DO NOT HAVE A LINK OR A QUOTE TO REFERENCE IT! The only viable way for me to prove this would be A to go back in time and videotape a court hearing, or B read through everything about abortion or pregnancy I find for you until I come to that part. B is not even about to occur because I'm not wasting my time for you, and A is impossible.
So go look for it yourself you stupid inbred motherfucker. Just because you are too god damned lazy to Google something doesn't mean I have to, and just because I refuse to Google something to appease your ever so large ego doesn't mean I'm incorrect or a liar, it just means you are afraid of being wrong so you don't Google it.
Seems I am more capable than you are.
You have proven nothing.
Aww, nerd raging more because you are incapable of backing yourself up? Looks like little Syke needs a tissue.
dfighter
05-10-2010, 12:33 AM
Tbh you both should abort the insults and the raging, you pretty much both act like 5yr olds. Just a thought.
Seems I am more capable than you are.
You have proven nothing.
Aww, nerd raging more because you are incapable of backing yourself up? Looks like little Syke needs a tissue.
So cute. You still think I care about the stupid insults you throw at me.
It proves my point that you are arrogant though, seeing as how you think you are so much more capable than I am when all you've done is effectively "No." to every single one of my posts. And now you are having a fit because I won't waste my time Googling something I already know is true just to please you.
If you were actually concerned if what I'm saying is the truth or not you would go google it. The fact that you've made no attempt to do so makes me believe you really don't give a shit about what I'm saying but instead are more concerned with denying it at every bend simply because I said it.
Gamerz22
05-10-2010, 12:48 AM
I'm on both sides, though I suppose allowing it would be the most appropriately weighted choice.
Against: People being stupid and attempting to use this as birth control.
For: The child doesn't have to grow up with a parent that sucks ass (can't parent) and thus saves suffering.
So cute. You still think I care about the stupid insults you throw at me.
It proves my point that you are arrogant though, seeing as how you think you are so much more capable than I am when all you've done is effectively "No." to every single one of my posts. And now you are having a fit because I won't waste my time Googling something I already know is true just to please you.
If you were actually concerned if what I'm saying is the truth or not you would go google it. The fact that you've made no attempt to do so makes me believe you really don't give a shit about what I'm saying but instead are more concerned with denying it at every bend simply because I said it.
Aww, someone is angry.
I am arrogant? Because you can't prove anything? Sure, I can go with that, while we are misusing words. Ignorance is bliss and you are acting quite blissful. I have said no to your lies. And you have done nothing to back up what you say. Not a damn thing. Your words are empty. You want me to Google it because you want me to waste time when we both know you made it up. You can't help but PMS over this. I know that there is no such law.
If you wanted to prove you were correct, you would provide the law. But since you refuse to, it is just showing that you made it up and can't accept it. You have no proof to back what you say. If you wanted me to look bad, you would post it. But you can't simply have no proof.
Aww, someone is angry.
I am arrogant? Because you can't prove anything? Sure, I can go with that, while we are misusing words. Ignorance is bliss and you are acting quite blissful. I have said no to your lies. And you have done nothing to back up what you say. Not a damn thing. Your words are empty. You want me to Google it because you want me to waste time when we both know you made it up. You can't help but PMS over this. I know that there is no such law.
If you wanted to prove you were correct, you would provide the law. But since you refuse to, it is just showing that you made it up and can't accept it. You have no proof to back what you say. If you wanted me to look bad, you would post it. But you can't simply have no proof.
I lol'd. Your arguments are becoming more and more desperate with each post you make. Now all you are doing is trying to turn my words back on me and it's quite laughable.
I'm going to stop repeating myself because clearly you won't hear it. So you can have fun in your little fantasy world where you are always right and anything anyone else says is complete rubbish.
I lol'd. Your arguments are becoming more and more desperate with each post you make. Now all you are doing is trying to turn my words back on me and it's quite laughable.
I'm going to stop repeating myself because clearly you won't hear it. So you can have fun in your little fantasy world where you are always right and anything anyone else says is complete rubbish.
Less pathos, more logos, kiddie. Learn to read English and back up what you say or you will continue to be a loony. It is quite a quandary to see the fool laughing at thine.
Jargs
05-10-2010, 07:10 PM
It's "Intellectual Discussion", not "Intellectual Flamewar".
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