ITT: People WITHOUT religion

[Syke]

Religious nut jobs are fucking stupid and so brainwashed by what some stupid book says that they incapable of comprehending reality and making choices of their own it's actually quite sad.

I find it pretty annoying how they'd rather go by what a book says and what apparently some invisible man in the sky says than listening to science which can actually prove shit.

http://img265.imageshack.us/img265/4633/18181940conventionallogml2.jpg

You may now discuss. Or flame, whichever you prefer.

[Wolfly]

I read Dan Brown "The Lost Symbol", I'm now convinced we're gods, look at what the hell we can do, we've gone to space, we're crossing breeds via genetics, we fly, we go underwater, we do awesome s***!

[Caskast]

actually we dont fly... a machine does that. which is man made

[Syke]

I read Dan Brown "The Lost Symbol", I'm now convinced we're gods, look at what the hell we can do, we've gone to space, we're crossing breeds via genetics, we fly, we go underwater, we do awesome s***!

Humans > all

The intelligent ones anyway, there are some stupid people on this planet.

[expo]

Can you prove what the word square means?

[expo]

Or maybe what air is?

[Caskast]

well its the english language we invented it so its what we believe what it means who the person invented the word is what they thought

[Vourdeox]

Religious nut jobs are fucking stupid and so brainwashed by what some stupid book says that they incapable of comprehending reality and making choices of their own it's actually quite sad.
Stupid? Maybe some of them. Brainwashed? That's bull and you know it.

Maybe you're too wrapped up in what you think is true to look at their way of seeing things. Religion is a great thing for many people. It gives them something to believe in when they have nothing left to hold on to. You want to go and tell them that it's all a lie? Neither side has any proof anyway, so that'd be a funny conversation.

Reality is a hard thing to define, as we don't really know the true nature of it. We only presume that what we know and see is true.

I find it pretty annoying how they'd rather go by what a book says and what apparently some invisible man in the sky says than listening to science which can actually prove shit.
I find it pretty annoying how some people think they can disprove something without any evidence at all.

I'm thinking Agnosticism is the halfway point. It makes the most sense, after all.

[Syke]

Stupid? Maybe some of them. Brainwashed? That's bull and you know it.

Maybe you're too wrapped up in what you think is true to look at their way of seeing things. Religion is a great thing for many people. It gives them something to believe in when they have nothing left to hold on to. You want to go and tell them that it's all a lie? Neither side has any proof anyway, so that'd be a funny conversation.

Reality is a hard thing to define, as we don't really know the true nature of it. We only presume that what we know and see is true.


I find it pretty annoying how some people think they can disprove something without any evidence at all.

I'm thinking Agnosticism is the halfway point. It makes the most sense, after all.

Right maybe their not brainwashed but people who cling to a religion just because their life sucks is a weak human being. My childhood and most of my life was something right out of a horror story. I don't need to turn to an invisible man of which their is no proof to make my life seem less shit.

Speaking of no proof, you are incorrect in saying neither side has proof. The Atheists have science, which is capable of disproving a god. Sadly everyone wrapped up in a religion will not listen to logic or reasoning.

Hundreds of years ago everyone knew the Earth was flat, about 100 years ago everyone knew humans couldn't fly, around 50-60 years ago everyone knew humans couldn't get into space.

Science already has proof that a god simply isn't possible, but once again those religious people are too wrapped up with their fiction reading and will find any half-assed excuse they can to try and justify science to defend their religion.

Christians always speak of the Atheists being closed mined and the Christians are the open minded ones, when in reality it's them who's closed minded. they refuse to hear anything that could go against their god if it's true or not. I for one, being an Atheist, am open minded. I'm open to the idea of a god so long as you bring me definitive proof of one.

[Wolfly]

They cling to religion because it might be all they have.

[AwkwardDev]

Well, I am atheist, even that I was borned in christian country. I don't live in very tales. I am sure that the godness powers are somewhere but they don't came from the humans. Actually all of this is pretty much messed by intelligent persons which just want to grab money or whatever easy by exploiting people. Not all is like that. I wouldn't be atheist if the religion was itself not this bullshits. I don't know how is on your countris but in Bulgaria its like that.

[martin197]

Religion is hypocrisy itself as the churches are their to help the suffering and bring a new light to people who are in need.

But as i said hypocrisy for one think of assisi and the church of assisi (it was for the poor but now its lavished in gold and the people who believe in it walk past the poor like they are nothing.)

Religion is stupid the ministers of churches aswell think they can do anything, so does the pope.

[Syke]

Religion is the main factor of death and bloodshed for the entire history of the Earth. It may be called a "Holy War" but in reality people are only killing each other because they have different gods.

I feel the comic hits the nail on the head. If you state that something is in fact real I'm entitled to ask for some proof of said object, and if no proof can be produced I'm more than likely not going to buy it.

Claiming there is a god is the same thing as claiming that a flying sea weed monster exists. I don't get why people automatically trust a book just because someone said so.

[AwkwardDev]

Thats true! I think the whole thing that we call God and its existing in all of the religions is being made from very mature and intelligent people to lead the rest to something better for them. But it was failed and used to exploit the rest. This godness powers which are written in the books are just all fake. Its lies for good but used for bad to the humans. Thats why I think the god is the earth which is giving us food and place where we can realize our selfs and we must protect the earth from anything which will broke her. Sadly only a few are thinking like me.

[vvv]

Religion is the main factor of death and bloodshed for the entire history of the Earth. It may be called a "Holy War" but in reality people are only killing each other because they have different gods.


not in the history of russia. we have decided to be the biggest and most powerfull.

youre mabye thinking about middle east.

[Xyolexus]

not in the history of russia. we have decided to be the biggest and most powerfull.

youre mabye thinking about middle east.

LOL, JUST LOL.





One word that proves God and the Bible is bullshit: Dinosaurs.

[Xyolexus]

Spetsnaz, I am always them on MW2 Multiplayer >.>

[Syke]

Strange, most of the time I'm the US Army or the SAS

[Xyolexus]

SAS <3

But surely you mean TF141, which is based on TF121 IRL.

[Syke]

SAS <3

But surely you mean TF141, which is based on TF121 IRL.

Yeah, that. I just bought MW2 again yesterday, haven't had much time to do an MP yet tho.

[St.Punksy]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lt-rbdAO3xk

Trying to find a way
Getting better every day
And I got you now I'm not alone
All I need in this life is one
One thing to believe in

I've seen many a face
From young and too old
I've stolen their faith and I have broken their souls
Was here before Christ had forgave you your sins
And paid your price and sealed your fate within
Days have come to an end
Today's the day that we meet again
The self inflicted inebriation guilt never lies

I've been waiting for the chance
To reunite this sick romance
Poison never hurt so good
So nice of you to speak of me
Your closest friend and enemy
An only savior of masochists
Well it's the dead end slave
From the alter to the grave
It's the last days of our life
The faith of men

Time, its been so long
And now there's nothing to say
I'm trying so hard to find the words to say
I'm tired of being, now I'm something I'm not
I can't believe and I never thought
Days would come to an end
Well maybe someday we'll meet again
If ever that day never comes
It would be too soon
My love

I've been waiting for the chance
To nullify this sick romance
Pull the cord to detonate
So sick of you don't speak of me
No represent of misery
An only savior of masochists
Well it's the dead end slave
From the alter to the grave
It's the last days of our life
Well it's the dead end slave
From the alter to the grave
It's the last days of our life
The faith of men

Now I've found a way
Getting better every day
And I got you now I'm not alone
All I need in this life is one
One thing to believe in

Trying to find a way
Getting better every day
And I got you now I'm not alone
All I need in this life is one
One thing to believe in

[khaled123]

Russia is a fail. Aside from the Spetsnaz you really have nothing going for you. Unless you want to count the nuclear stockpile, but with that many bombs you'd be kicking your own ass too.

russia is not a fail dude lol

[HelpYouAsaP]

Learn to spell, and I'm not from either of those countrys.

[khaled123]

USA PWNS, your mum fails btw.

they pwn because of there good advertisment and lets not mess famillys to its not good :)

[St.Punksy]

they pwn because of there good advertisment and lets not mess famillys to its not good :)

that's true i approve this message. And donald duck stop talking vulgar language, u are under ages. I don't give a fawk u're dev on my BF awkwarddev

[khaled123]

that's true i approve this message. And donald duck stop talking vulgar language, u are under ages. I don't give a fawk u're dev on stormspire which i was co owner :)

ty thx but dont get messed with him :) just ignore him if you want

[Syke]

they pwn because of there good advertisment and lets not mess famillys to its not good :)

The USA is good because of our advertisements? What?

[Sniperhansen13]

I'm thinking Agnosticism is the halfway point. It makes the most sense, after all.

I support that statement 1000%....

[khaled123]

The USA is good because of our advertisements? What?

yep :) but if it happens war us vs russia then us will be gone + if it happens war US vs lets say dubai or syria then US will be gone for eva dude its the truth they tell people that they are the good side and arabic people the bad side i went to lebanon after the war in 2004-2005 i saw kids on 1 year and less are dieing and why should they die because of some us guys who dosent have god cause every guy killed a kid he is going to fail in his life and after life so if the world was in peace all where together the world was going to be a good place and after all we all are from same blood in the biggining 2 guys born all this so ye

[12estlessk0]

LOL, JUST LOL.





One word that proves God and the Bible is bullshit: Dinosaurs.

and this proves it wrong how>?

[AwkwardDev]

ty thx but dont get messed with him :) just ignore him if you want

Haha, St.Punksy is my mate, leet.

Guys, you think that Russia or USA are fail. To be honest they both aren't fail. Go live in the small countrys like Bulgaria. Then speak about the bosses in the world. ;).

[12estlessk0]

LOL, JUST LOL.





One word that proves God and the Bible is bullshit: Dinosaurs.

There are a number of places where it appears that dinosaurs or other similar creatures are mentioned in the scriptures. Remember that the Bible was translated into English long before the word "dinosaur" was coined. However, the word "dragon" appears 21 times in the Old Testament alone. "You shall tread upon the lion and adder: the young lion and the dragon shall you trample under feet" (Psalm 91:13). From the context it is clearly speaking about a real creature that it would be impressive and intimidating to step on! Jeremiah 51:34 tells, "he has swallowed me up like a dragon..." which brings to mind the way many carnivorous reptiles swallow their prey whole. Both dragons of the sea (Psalm 74:13) and field (Isaiah 43:20) are mentioned. Indeed, Genesis 1:21 can best be translated: "And God created great sea monsters..." One such sea monster became sufficiently well-known to the ancients to be given the special name "Rahab" (Isaiah 51:9). The prophet Ezekiel likens Pharaoh to a sea monster that invaded the Nile river and stirred up the mud (32:2). The Hebrew word, "Tannin," is from the root meaning "to extend." The language conjures up an image of a long-necked plesiosaur-like creature paddling up the river and stirring up mud from the Nile delta with its flippers. Just such a creature is depicted by the ancient Egyptians who may have netted one just as Ezekiel describes in verse 3.

[khaled123]

Haha, St.Punksy is my mate, leet.

Guys, you think that Russia or USA is fail. To be honest they both aren't fail. Go live in the small countrys like Bulgarian. Then speak about the bosses in the world. ;).

he is talking shit right :) i live in bulgaria and i em really sad :( mm when i get the chance to leave this country i will i hope this chance come soon

[Syke]

yep :) but if it happens war us vs russia then us will be gone + if it happens war US vs lets say dubai or syria then US will be gone for eva dude its the truth they tell people that they are the good side and arabic people the bad side i went to lebanon after the war in 2004-2005 i saw kids on 1 year and less are dieing and why should they die because of some us guys who dosent have god cause every guy killed a kid he is going to fail in his life and after life so if the world was in peace all where together the world was going to be a good place and after all we all are from same blood in the biggining 2 guys born all this so ye

No.

the USA v Russia would be the last war among humans this planet ever sees. A clashing of two world super powers will not be pretty by any stretch of the imagination. Sure, for a while we'll go at it using the standard tools of warfare, armored vehicles, infantry air vehicles.

But eventually one of the countries will get pissed and the nuclear ICBMs start flying, so the other country retaliates with thier ICBMs and when they land kiss your ass and the Earth goodbye.

My point being Russia vs. USA has no winner. Everyone loses. And this still doesn't change the fact that Russia fails hard.

[khaled123]

No.

the USA v Russia would be the last war among humans this planet ever sees. A clashing of two world super powers will not be pretty by any stretch of the imagination. Sure, for a while we'll go at it using the standard tools of warfare, armored vehicles, infantry air vehicles.

But eventually one of the countries will get pissed and the nuclear ICBMs start flying, so the other country retaliates with thier ICBMs and when they land kiss your ass and the Earth goodbye.

My point being Russia vs. USA has no winner. Everyone loses. And this still doesn't change the fact that Russia fails hard.

thats tru 100% cause if russ and us get war then there will be 3 world war :)

[AwkwardDev]

True, but Russia fails hard for you. There are people which like it. Same for USA. Its cool to have two different life styles between we can choose, isn't it?

[Syke]

True, but Russia fails hard for you. There are people which like it. Same for USA. Its cool to have two different life styles between we can choose, isn't it?

You are right on that one.


I suppose it's not a surprise I dislike Russia. After the Cold War the two countries pretty much despise each other.

[vvv]

Haha, St.Punksy is my mate, leet.

Guys, you think that Russia or USA are fail. To be honest they both aren't fail. Go live in the small countrys like Bulgaria. Then speak about the bosses in the world. ;).

Bulgaria is a good governoment too, altso i the East EU governoments only have 1 fail, theyre in EU and Nato(North Atlatic Terrorist Organization)


And well in denmark theyre wanting age limit on energy-drinks, fucking energy drinks, its just damn sugar to drugs no alchohol.

thats what i mean,the Western governoments makes to much crappy laws.


And well. Russia doesnt have to use nuclear weapons. We do have the largest stock of non-nuclear missiles.

wich is more then both nato and us have together.

[QQrofl]

- Cleaned. Please don't insult other countries, it will get you nowhere in this thread, other than more insults.

- Want my opinion on the topic of this thread? I don't really believe what people believe in, they have not shown logical prove of how we were made, how the earth and everything was made. A 'Bible' could have been made by a hobo, religion could have been made to make people more money; the advantage in that, is to brain wash people in all of this crap. I'm not trying to discourage other peoples' beliefs, but I do have a right to my own opinion. ;)

[AwkwardDev]

Agree with QQrofl.

Bulgaria is a good governoment too, altso i the East EU governoments only have 1 fail, theyre in EU and Nato(North Atlatic Terrorist Organization)


And well in denmark theyre wanting age limit on energy-drinks, fucking energy drinks, its just damn sugar to drugs no alchohol.

thats what i mean,the Western governoments makes to much crappy laws.


And well. Russia doesnt have to use nuclear weapons. We do have the largest stock of non-nuclear missiles.

wich is more then both nato and us have together.

You don't know anything about Bulgaria if you said so. There is no goverment!! Only Mafia everywhere.

[Syke]

- Cleaned. Please don't insult other countries, it will get you nowhere in this thread, other than more insults.

- Want my opinion on the topic of this thread? I don't really believe what people believe in, they have not shown logical prove of how we were made, how the earth and everything was made. A 'Bible' could have been made by a hobo, religion could have been made to make people more money; the advantage in that, is to brain wash people in all of this crap. I'm not trying to discourage other peoples' beliefs, but I do have a right to my own opinion. ;)

/hug

Second paragraph is my thoughts on religion exactly.

[vvv]

Agree with QQrofl.



You don't know anything about Bulgaria if you said so. There is no goverment!! Only Mafia everywhere.


thats the good thing. no people with over control in the governoment then.

[AwkwardDev]

You think its good to go on your job, work hard as hell, and at the end of the month you got nothing? If you think its cool ... bad for you then. You're welcome to join Bulgaria then.

[vvv]

You think its good to go on your job, work hard as hell, and at the end of the month you got nothing? If you think its cool ... bad for you then. You're welcome to join Bulgaria then.


well dont work then. do like my dad,drive people for cash. and well he could do that bcs his family werent poor before the revolution eihther.


and well, if youre lucky then there some times comes a man that doesnt have enought cash so he haves to pay with some of his official chelsea flags.

[TheMagic]

If you believe in the big bang.., Then what caused it? :P

Religious nut jobs are fucking stupid and so brainwashed by what some stupid book says that they incapable of comprehending reality and making choices of their own it's actually quite sad.

I find it pretty annoying how they'd rather go by what a book says and what apparently some invisible man in the sky says than listening to science which can actually prove shit.

You may now discuss. Or flame, whichever you prefer.

[QQrofl]

Burritos.

[Syke]

If you believe in the big bang.., Then what caused it? :P

No one knows for certain. But it's believed to be the extremely rapid expansion of a single force that then created the other forces (gravitation, electromagnetism, strong interaction and weak interaction) the heat generated and enormous pressure of the big bang caused the dense elements such as uranium, iron, lead and osmium to form.

Any other questions?

Before you cry bullshit on the reason of Wikipedia first know one thing. I took college prep. science classes all through hight school, watch science shows and read up on things like this constantly. That's all from personal knowledge not a copy/paste.

[TheMagic]

Yup 1 Question:

Then what caused the 'single force'?

[nathalia]

The big bang is still a theory, yet it's the most realistic theory that currently exists. The very fact that some organisation spent billions on making the LHC to get a better understanding of a big-bangish event. And that organisation happens to be some of the leading particle scientists and a lot of other 'wise' people for the sake of that. So from an atheists point of view, it's very likely that those people might have a clue about what they've dedicated their life to, and besides that for me it's all physics.

Basically, i cannot relate to something that is not proven. Among those things, it is not proven that any 'god' or superior power exists.
I doubt that those priests in the vatican and everywhere else in the world in any religion, hear voices from their 'god'. If so, then i think they should be visiting the mental hospital rather than the church honestly.

Religion is probably a nice way to escape reality, it's harsh - thats just how it is. It's probably a fine support too if you don't have anything else, which is fine.

[nathalia]

It's an organization of pedophiles and capitalism, frankly capitalism = power :p

[khaled123]

Agree with QQrofl.



You don't know anything about Bulgaria if you said so. There is no goverment!! Only Mafia everywhere.

tru dude bulgaria is kinda noob country

[Syke]

Yup 1 Question:

Then what caused the 'single force'?

We don't have knowledge of physics at the time of the big bang, just seconds after. We sure as hell don't have knowledge of things before it.

[TheMagic]

Exactly so I think there has to be some kind of extraterrestrial spirit or a God that caused the Big Bang (if there was a Big Bang), energy cannot be created on its own.

[Syke]

Exactly so I think there has to be some kind of extraterrestrial spirit or a God that caused the Big Bang (if there was a Big Bang), energy cannot be created on its own.

Just because we don't know what happened before the big bang does not automatically make a god exist. Matter can neither be created, nor destroyed. What exists as the universe today was once a singularity. A small point in a big emptiness, and then it became the Universe, some invisible man wasn't chucking some C4 at it.

I'll say this (more science, brace yourself) we live in a finite universe, meaning EVERYTHING has limitations NO exceptions. In order for this god to exist would require infinite resources, which has already been established as not possible. Knowledge of all, requires instantaneous recall of things that have happened, are currently happening, and will happen. Again, not possible.

Also something that exists is made of matter, or energy. Therefore there is a way to detect it, if it cannot be detected, it is not real.

This video coverts the same points and more, and explains it a lot better than I can.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YLlSySWuoiA

[moto]

Oh no A Thread i will confused for a eternity!

[TheMagic]

But then thoughts would not exist either they aren't matter or energy either, and all humans can think

Just because we don't know what happened before the big bang does not automatically make a god exist. Matter can neither be created, nor destroyed. What exists as the universe today was once a singularity. A small point in a big emptiness, and then it became the Universe, some invisible man wasn't chucking some C4 at it.

I'll say this (more science, brace yourself) we live in a finite universe, meaning EVERYTHING has limitations NO exceptions. In order for this god to exist would require infinite resources, which has already been established as not possible. Knowledge of all, requires instantaneous recall of things that have happened, are currently happening, and will happen. Again, not possible.

Also something that exists is made of matter, or energy. Therefore there is a way to detect it, if it cannot be detected, it is not real.

This video coverts the same points and more, and explains it a lot better than I can.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YLlSySWuoiA

[Xyolexus]

and this proves it wrong how>?

"In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth, and the earth was welter and waste and darkness over the deep and the wind of God hovering over the waters, and God said, 'Let there be light,' and there was light;" the "firmament" separating "the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament;" dry land and seas and plants and trees which grew fruit with seed; the sun, moon and stars in the firmament; air-breathing sea creatures, fishes and birds; and on the sixth day, "the beasts of the earth according to their kinds." "Then God said, Let us make man in our image ... in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them." On the seventh day God rests: "So God blessed the seventh day and hallowed it, because on it God rested from all his work which he had done in creation."

Doesn't state anywhere about dinosaurs on the -230,000,000'th year, does it?

[TheMagic]

And it doesn't say anything about Alligators either that doesn't mean they weren't created, it doesn't have to list every single animal

[Xyolexus]

Science proves religion wrong.

Besides, if God created the Earth, what about other planets and galaxies, and who created God?

[12estlessk0]

"In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth, and the earth was welter and waste and darkness over the deep and the wind of God hovering over the waters, and God said, 'Let there be light,' and there was light;" the "firmament" separating "the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament;" dry land and seas and plants and trees which grew fruit with seed; the sun, moon and stars in the firmament; air-breathing sea creatures, fishes and birds; and on the sixth day, "the beasts of the earth according to their kinds." "Then God said, Let us make man in our image ... in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them." On the seventh day God rests: "So God blessed the seventh day and hallowed it, because on it God rested from all his work which he had done in creation."

Doesn't state anywhere about dinosaurs on the -230,000,000'th year, does it?

The earth is 6000 years old tops. The Moon moves away from the earth on average 2-4 inches per year so if the earth was as old as you say it is the moon would of at one point went through the earth .... lol i dont think so

[TheMagic]

He created Earth and the rest of the universe

No one created God, and the same question goes for the Big Bang, what created it?

Science proves religion wrong.

Besides, if God created the Earth, what about other planets and galaxies, and who created God?

[TheMagic]

No it's not it's millions, God never said how long one day was in Genesis and the moon did hit the Earth it's what made the Pacific Ocean so deep

The earth is 6000 years old tops. The Moon moves away from the earth on average 2-4 inches per year so if the earth was as old as you say it is the moon would of at one point went through the earth .... lol i dont think so

[12estlessk0]

No one knows for certain. But it's believed to be the extremely rapid expansion of a single force that then created the other forces (gravitation, electromagnetism, strong interaction and weak interaction) the heat generated and enormous pressure of the big bang caused the dense elements such as uranium, iron, lead and osmium to form.

Any other questions?

Before you cry bullshit on the reason of Wikipedia first know one thing. I took college prep. science classes all through hight school, watch science shows and read up on things like this constantly. That's all from personal knowledge not a copy/paste.

Could you take a 5,000 piece puzzle shake it up in a box and throw it and when it hits the ground the puzzle would be perfectly put together? thats what your saying if you believe in the big bang

[TheMagic]

The Big Bang could have happened but not on it's own

[12estlessk0]

The Big Bang could have happened but not on it's own

i agree with that god could of created the big bang =] im just say for the people that just believe in the big bang and not in god

[TheMagic]

That's what I think also, I believe in evolution but I'm not sure about evolution of humans, I don't see how humans could come from this:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/70/Darwinius_masillae_PMO_214.214.jpg/225px-Darwinius_masillae_PMO_214.214.jpg
Darwinius masillae (Supposed human common ancestor)

[12estlessk0]

That's what I think also, I believe in evolution but I'm not sure about evolution of humans, I don't see how humans could come from this:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/70/Darwinius_masillae_PMO_214.214.jpg/225px-Darwinius_masillae_PMO_214.214.jpg
Darwinius masillae (Supposed human common ancestor)

i think creatures can adapt to survive but people changing from that to who we are absolutely not and also if we did evolve form that why are we not still evolving today ? .. agree?

[TheMagic]

Yup and why aren't modern day apes evolving into humans slowly now? I don't think humans evolved from a 'Lemur-like' animal, but if we did it didn't happen on it's own

[Xyolexus]

I'm entitled to my own opinion, and just for a moment I wondered why I hate religious people, but then I remembered, they can't stand to think that other people don't believe in God, so fuck off, fucktard.

[12estlessk0]

I'm entitled to my own opinion, and just for a moment I wondered why I hate religious people, but then I remembered, they can't stand to think that other people don't believe in God, so fuck off, fucktard.

i didnt say i cant stand it in fact i said a prayer for you hoping that one day jesus will come into your life

[Xyolexus]

Thanks but no thanks, I've had to live my first 13 shitty years without Jesus, and I will live the rest of my life without him.

[Xyolexus]

Religious nut jobs are fucking stupid and so brainwashed by what some stupid book says that they incapable of comprehending reality and making choices of their own it's actually quite sad.

I find it pretty annoying how they'd rather go by what a book says and what apparently some invisible man in the sky says than listening to science which can actually prove shit.

http://img265.imageshack.us/img265/4633/18181940conventionallogml2.jpg

You may now discuss. Or flame, whichever you prefer.

This is for teh Jehovah's Witnesses here.

[TheMagic]

I'm fine with that, your either Atheist or Agnostic and I'm Protestant idc at all, like my teacher says the debate between science and religion will never end

I'm entitled to my own opinion, and just for a moment I wondered why I hate religious people, but then I remembered, they can't stand to think that other people don't believe in God, so fuck off, fucktard.

[Xyolexus]

It will end, and you do your quotes fucked up dude.

[TheMagic]

Probably not in the near future and yup I write and then put the quote underneath it

[Xyolexus]

Probably not in the near future and yup I write and then put the quote underneath it

Actually, in the next 50 years or so.

[TheMagic]

Your opinion not mine, I think at least 2000+ years, but I don't think everyone is going to go Agnostic

[Syke]

People who argue that the earth is only in the thousands of years are so ignorant and brain washed by fiction reading they refuse to hear PROVEN FACTS religion doesn't prove anything except that one day some guy had a rather large piss pipe aimed directly at his morning cup of of joe so he decided to write some moronic book to fuck with people.

Radio carbon dating proves that fossils date back millions of years into Earth's history, how do you explain that? The Earth and the Sun are roughly the same age at about 4 billion years.

As I've stated before, a few hundred years ago everyone knew the Earth was flat, a hundred years ago everyone knew humans couldn't fly and 50 years ago everyone knew that space travel was impossible. It's only a matter of time before what Christians think they know to be correct is finally proven wrong.

Religion is hypocritical, more people died for Jesus than for any other single cause. Kind of ironic for a guy who preaches love and peace. Furthermore if your god loves everyone so much why does he have a special place for people who fuck up at life to rot and burn and be in agony and suffering until the end of time? If you love someone who do everything in your power to save them from such a fate, and your god being all-powerful wouldn't need to lift a finger.

You can argue against it all you want but you nuts are going to need to wake up and smell the coffee some day, years ago everyone had their own religion, now your chances of finding an Atheist are 50-50, the number people willing to believe in something there is no proof of is declining and soon religion will be gone and people will just shut the fuck up and accept the truth, that being science.

Also adding to my wall of text explain Adam and Eve for me. 2 people could not possibly build a population of nearly 7 billion in just 6,000 years. even with some serious fucking incest that wouldn't happen. It also doesn't explain Hispanics, Africans or Asians.

I could go on longer but I'll save the res of my reasons for my other posts to further prove why religious people are wrong and how they are so blind to reality it's sickening.

[TheMagic]

Humans can't fly, but they can pilot helicopters :P
Actually religion won't be gone, Islam is spreading faster than both Atheism and Christianity
And my explanation for different races, Tower of Babel

[Syke]

You know full well what I mean by humans flying.

Islam is worse than Christianity and Catholicism, those fucks need to be put down.

I suppose you're right though. Humans are flawed but a select few such as myself, Xyolexus, MEC and other people on the planet are lucky enough to see through the lies and the bullshit that is religion, as long as humans are imperfect there will always be an overwhelming majority willing to buy anything someone tells them (hence religion) religion is one big ol' game of follow the leader, one person thought it was a good idea so everyone else tried to fit in.

IMO Christianity is 1 woman's lie (the 'virgin' Mary) about having sex that got seriously fucking out of hand.

[TheMagic]

It's a fact that Jesus was a real person, even see Wikipedia it doesn't say that he was the Messiah but it is fact that he existed

[Syke]

It's a fact of Christianity maybe. But it's not been scientifically proven that he lived.

By now you should see where I'm going with this. I'm big on science and proof, not the "because I fucking said so, and anyone else who says otherwise is clearly wrong" logic that Christians go by.

We can argue until we are both dead about this stuff but the fact remains that until religion produces clear-but definitive proof of a god, they are all wrong.

[TheMagic]

It's not scientifically proven that Alexander the Great lived either but most people accept that he was real

And your right we can argue until death but that doesn't make religion wrong I don't think, Creationists can't scientifically prove how the Big Bang started and Christians can't scientifically prove God is real

The argument will go on forever

[Malkori]

Im not going to bother lol.... Btw +rep for Magic, GL on SPU.

[TheMagic]

Thank-you :D

[Syke]

It's not scientifically proven that Alexander the Great lived either but most people accept that he was real

And your right we can argue until death but that doesn't make religion wrong I don't think, Creationists can't scientifically prove how the Big Bang started and Christians can't scientifically prove God is real

The argument will go on forever


Alexander the Great was an actual human being in recorded history, who do you think ruled over the empire he established and all the land he conquered? The tooth fairy? Those people who do not accept him as an actual human being that lived at one point in history are those same retards who deny the Holocaust ever happened.

But this is where you are wrong, we CAN prove how the universe came into existence we just haven't been able too yet, why you ask? Because of our finite (limited) resources. You remember that don't you, me disproving a god right then and there by stating nothing in this universe is without limitations?

And yes that correct you don't think that makes religion wrong, just like you think there is a god. What you think is different than what actually is. And until a god is proven to exist, it does not exist. After almost 5 billion years you figure something on this planet would have found a god, no?

Furthermore Christianity was by no means the first religion to come about, yet they believe that they are right and everyone else is blind or mislead, they all speak of open mindedness. That's pretty hypocritical since they are the close minded ones, and every time you or any other religious person denies the possibility that a god doesn't exist it just proves that point even more if you can't accept that possibility.

Atheists and Agnostics are the open minded ones, we/they are open to the idea of a god (some of us, anyway), we just want a little damn proof of said deity. I've said this many a time before and I'll say it again, show me your god is real and I will convert to your religion right there on the spot. Until that time however religion is bullshit and proving every aspect of your holy book is the only thing that can change it. But since that day will never come it's only a matter of time before religion is laughed out of the room just like every other stupid idea before it and after it.

[▓Mikeambrose3▓]

God > You atheist
Dinosaurs were before Jesus and Humans, idiot.

[Syke]

God > You atheist
Dinosaurs were before Jesus and Humans, idiot.

A fictional being is not greater than an actual one, sorry to say.

And yeah, not shit. I thought all my talk of the earth being 5 billion years old and the fact that humans have been around for just a fraction of that meant nothing. That's for pointing out the obvious.

[udead]

A fictional being is not greater than an actual one, sorry to say.

And yeah, not shit. I thought all my talk of the earth being 5 billion years old and the fact that humans have been around for just a fraction of that meant nothing. That's for pointing out the obvious.

I'm going to stay out of the arguement, but, i agree with you, Syke, Once we have proof that a God exists, I will convert to that religion ASAP

[udead]

Yup and why aren't modern day apes evolving into humans slowly now?


Problably because the course of Evolution happened over BILLIONS of years, not over 100 years.

[Syke]

Thank you, udead. +Rep for having a brain in your skull :P

[Xyolexus]

IMO Christianity is 1 woman's lie (the 'virgin' Mary) about having sex that got seriously fucking out of hand.

Sickipedia win.

I will never believe in a guy who is supposed to choose what we do in life.

Quote from the Matrix:
'There is no such thing as choice, what happened happened and it could not happen any other way.

[Syke]

Sickipedia win.

I will never believe in a guy who is supposed to choose what we do in life.

Quote from the Matrix:
'There is no such thing as choice, what happened happened and it could not happen any other way.

Yeah that's one of the many reasons I'm turned off to religion. We should all obey god.

I'm sorry, not going to happen. I'm a human being with thoughts and I'll do whatever I please, not what some invisible man says I'm going to do.

[Xyolexus]

Exactly.

[khaled123]

Yeah that's one of the many reasons I'm turned off to religion. We should all obey god.

I'm sorry, not going to happen. I'm a human being with thoughts and I'll do whatever I please, not what some invisible man says I'm going to do.

i agree with him

[ZXD]

http://img265.imageshack.us/img265/4633/18181940conventionallogml2.jpg

You may now discuss. Or flame, whichever you prefer.

Hahaha, i agree.

[Xyolexus]

Lul.

[Edet]

http://aworldofprogress.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/religulous.jpg

Watch it...

The movie... of the picture I tried to post...

[Xyolexus]

http://aworldofprogress.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/religulous.jpg

watch it...

The movie... Of the picture i tried to post...

bbc.

[artaxarta]

Syke, Swearing doesn't emphasize your point. It makes you seem misguided and immature.

As an Athiest and a realist, i'll stay out of this argument.

[Syke]

Syke, Swearing doesn't emphasize your point. It makes you seem misguided and immature.

Sorry, my Give-a-Shit-O-Meter didn't register that.

http://www.supermotors.net/getfile/449058/fullsize/attempting-to-give-a-damn.gif

I will use whatever kind of language I want and if you don't like it then fuck off. (c wut i did thar?)

I said it once before. There are only a very select few people on this planet I even remotely care about and you are not one of them, so run along and cry about how the big meanie head is using grown-up language that hurts your young virgin ears.

P.S. Before you reply to this post saying I'm a dick or an asshole. I already knew that.

[Xyolexus]

Syke babes, leave Jordan alone.

But yeah, I'm sick to death of Christians trying to get me to believe in god.

[artaxarta]

Sorry, my Give-a-Shit-O-Meter didn't register that.

http://www.supermotors.net/getfile/449058/fullsize/attempting-to-give-a-damn.gif

I will use whatever kind of language I want and if you don't like it then fuck off. (c wut i did thar?)

I said it once before. There are only a very select few people on this planet I even remotely care about and you are not one of them, so run along and cry about how the big meanie head is using grown-up language that hurts your young virgin ears.

P.S. Before you reply to this post saying I'm a dick or an asshole. I already knew that.

Troll Score: 0/10

It just proves to me how stupid you are when all you can do is resort to personal insults, for one thing: I'm not a virgin, It's completely up to you whether you believe that or not. I'm not fussed. :)

really, i've reached a stage in my life where i'm past arguing with people on the internet. I've made my enemy's, and i've made my friends. The question is; which one will you be?

[Syke]

Troll Score: 0/10

It just proves to me how stupid you are when all you can do is resort to personal insults, for one thing: I'm not a virgin, It's completely up to you whether you believe that or not. I'm not fussed. :)

really, i've reached a stage in my life where i'm past arguing with people on the internet. I've made my enemy's, and i've made my friends. The question is; which one will you be?

Care score: -999999999999/0

If I was trolling you'd know.

Whether I'm your friend or enemy is your choice however. Don't impose on my life (such as how I should or should not speak for example) and we can be best friends.

If there is 1 thing I absolutely will NOT tolerate, it's people telling me what to do or how to do it, I'm a human being I'll do what I please, not what someone else wants of me.

[Xyolexus]

You two are my two favourite AC-Webians, please stop arguing. xD

[TheMagic]

I'm about done arguing but notice that the people on the 'other side of this argument' don't seem to have the necessity to swear as much :p

fuck off, fucktard.

Religon is a crock of bullshit.

i'm glad i'm not a bible-frakken nitwit who believes what the pedophile in the robe tells me every sunday.....

Religious nut jobs are fucking stupid and so brainwashed by what some stupid book says that they incapable of comprehending reality and making choices of their own it's actually quite sad.

[expo]

Retards.

[Syke]

I'm about done arguing but notice that the people on the 'other side of this argument' don't seem to have the necessity to swear as much :p

Who gives a shit if we swear? The world won't end. As for the idiots who believe in the invisible man it doesn't come as a surprise their ears bleed when someone says ass near them, since half of them going around preaching shit their fiction reading never even fucking said.

Like Catholics and their sex is evil retardation. WTF.

Retards.

http://fantasydragon.net/scv/bs/posting/nou.jpg

[TheMagic]

I don't mind swearing just excessive swearing (not saying that you were), and only Catholic priests think sex is evil =P But I'm with you Catholics are weird

[Syke]

I don't mind swearing just excessive swearing (not saying that you were), and only Catholic priests think sex is evil =P But I'm with you Catholics are weird

I think we can all agree (all non-catholics) that the catholics are just weird, the have all these stupid rituals and crap.

IMO they did a copy/paste of christianity and added some crazy sprinkles with some idiot sauce and called it a religion.

[TheMagic]

And Catholics can pray for a sin before they do and it's okay..

[expo]

http://fantasydragon.net/scv/bs/posting/nou.jpg

Thank you for further reinforcing what I said.

[khaled123]

i only know 1 thing that this thread is legend :)

[Syke]

Thank you for further reinforcing what I said.

Can no one on these forums take a fucking joke? I mean honestly, I say something then everyone jumps on its literal meaning rather than the implied meaning.

[mag1212]

Can no one on these forums take a fucking joke? I mean honestly, I say something then everyone jumps on its literal meaning rather than the implied meaning.this is the intellectual discussion section retard

[Syke]

this is the intellectual discussion section retard

Bite me.

I posted this in General Chat and a mod moved it here, if you want to yell at someone about what section this is in take it up with the moderator who moved this thread.

By the way you should really watch who you call a retard, number one hardly anyone on these forums even likes you and two you are going to piss off the wrong person one day and you'll be sorry you opened your mouth...

[TheMagic]

/agree









Now boys and girls almost all of us have stopped using 'profanity' lets keep it that way

this is the intellectual discussion section retard

[St.Punksy]

You two are my two favourite AC-Webians, please stop arguing. xD

OH LOL !!!

http://img704.imageshack.us/img704/5034/flabbergastlogopms.jpg (http://img704.imageshack.us/i/flabbergastlogopms.jpg/)

[Atarathi]

I'm fine with that, your either Atheist or Agnostic and I'm Protestant idc at all, like my teacher says the debate between science and religion will never end

Well, here in Norway the curch is dieing.. Because we are rich, and we can afford a propper education.. Meaning we learn to believe in whats real, and not some fucked up thoughts that either make you mentaly sick, or violent..

[Convoy]

The Church are crap atm, look at the sexual scandal of the pope of the Catholic church in europe...

[Syke]

The Church are crap atm, look at the sexual scandal of the pope of the Catholic church in europe...

Catholic priests are always fondling small children... No real surprise there.

I don't get why they just don't screw a whore rather than being a gay pedo.

[Xyolexus]

Paedophiles are sad.

[Syke]

church is the devil. end of story




Muslims can go to Hell.
Satanists Rule!
Mormons are frakked in the head.
Christians need to be locked away forever
baptists, sing to much
Catholics need to be shot. dam pedophiles
Buddists.......need to grow some hair
Scientologists. need to shoot themselves along with their god Tom Cruise.


And everybody goes home happy and prays to Lord Satan to have pitty on them.

The Jews need a nose job
The Amish need to use a razor

[vvv]

church is the devil. end of story




Muslims can go to Hell.
Satanists Rule!
Mormons are frakked in the head.
Christians need to be locked away forever
baptists, sing to much
Catholics need to be shot. dam pedophiles
Buddists.......need to grow some hair
Scientologists. need to shoot themselves along with their god Tom Cruise.


And everybody goes home happy and prays to Lord Satan to have pitty on them.


The only Truth is

http://www.stjosephpetersburg.org/web_cross.jpg
http://www.stjosephpetersburg.org/web_cross.jpg


If you Dont belive in it.
Then this people finds you!

http://www.independent.co.uk/multimedia/archive/00169/russians_169621s.jpg
http://www.independent.co.uk/multimedia/archive/00169/russians_169621s.jpg


And you will end like this!

http://www.elpais.com/recorte/20070815elpepiint_9/LCO340/Ies/jovenes_supuestamente_asesinados_nazis_rusos.jpg
http://www.elpais.com/recorte/20070815elpepiint_9/LCO340/Ies/jovenes_supuestamente_asesinados_nazis_rusos.jpg

[Syke]

http://images.tdaxp.com/tdaxp_upload/asian_jew_md.jpg

[vvv]

hopefully they find you


i dont have a prob with it.

Bcs iam look Russian, i have a Russian name and a russian middle name. so if u doesnt have a russian middle name then dont be surprised if they beat u up.

[Syke]

i dont have a prob with it.

Bcs iam look Russian, i have a Russian name and a russian middle name. so if u doesnt have a russian middle name then dont be surprised if they beat u up.

Everyone is shaking in their boots.... Not.

Not everybody is afraid of Russians. Just because of their communist government and evil dictators, the KGB and the Red Mafia doesn't mean we all shit our pants at the thought of a Russian, just like any other man, you shoot them, and they bleed.

[Xyolexus]

i dont have a prob with it.

Bcs iam look Russian, i have a Russian name and a russian middle name. so if u doesnt have a russian middle name then dont be surprised if they beat u up.

Die.

[TheMagic]

So you support this?

http://www.thenewblackmagazine.com/Photofiles/9-11.jpg

The only Truth is

[pointblank65]

The problem that I have with religion is that the majority of people who have no reason to believe it only believe it so that if it ends up being true, they won't be tortured for eternity. The people who have every reason to believe it and do believe it, are taken advantage of by those who are looking to capitalize on their hope.

[vvv]

So you support this?

http://www.thenewblackmagazine.com/Photofiles/9-11.jpg


no no,theyre enemies,and them u see on the pic is muslims thats getting executed, they were at the news in every country when it showed up.

[Wolfly]

It'd be stupid to support either this or that. Everything can be taken to extremes. Muslim isn't a faith built on bloodlust, neither is Christianity, but look at the Holy Crusade. Religious people are a dying breed, most actions have motives involved with personal gain.

[Stipt]

Syke, science can't prove nothing! If they could we wouldn't have legal abortion in the United States now would we? And scientists believe in Evolution, and I can prove that wrong in so many ways. So science can't prove anything important! In todays society science is another religion!

[Xyolexus]

Syke, science can't prove nothing! If they could we wouldn't have legal abortion in the United States now would we? And scientists believe in Evolution, and I can prove that wrong in so many ways. So science can't prove anything important!

Yes it can, noob!

How would you like to explain the theory of relativity in 'God-speak'? Or maybe gravity, electromagnetism and the strong and weak nuclear forces?

[Stipt]

Yes it can, noob!

How would you like to explain the theory of relativity in 'God-speak'? Or maybe gravity, electromagnetism and the strong and weak nuclear forces?

I’m sure most of you have heard of Albert Einstein’s theory of relativity (equivalence of mass and energy/mass and velocity) E=mc2, it is well known, at least as a saying, even if not truly understood. To briefly summarize the theory it means that mass and energy are relative to each other. But in reality Einstein’s theory of the laws of the physical universe are applicable to the very core of what life is all about, because life is about relationships, and people like mass and energy are relative to each other and God.

According to Mr. Webster the word “relative” means: 1. a thing having a relation to or connection with or necessary dependence upon another thing; 2. not absolute or independent. And the word “relativity” means: 1. the quality or state of being relative: esp.: dependence on something else. According to God’s Theory of Relativity we are we are not independent (as much as we strive to be), but actually dependent beings. You no doubt have heard the expression “no man is an island”, which attests to the fact that no one can do it alone. We need each other and we need God. And actually it’s not really God’s theory it is, in reality, a fact of life. Humans were created for relationships.

No individual is complete in himself or herself. No one! No individual can reach his or her total potential or realize their true fulfillment in life on their own. We are all interdependent. We must have help to become what we were designed to be both collectively as a people and individually as a person. We are interdependent on relationships with others. And while we are dependent on the horizontal relationships, person to person, to help define and mature us, it is the vertical relationship with Christ that propels us to a higher level. This is the key relationship that will define us not only for time but for eternity!

The Apostle John wrote in First John chapter 1 and verses 3 and 4, “We proclaim to you what we have seen and heard, so that you also may have fellowship with us. And our fellowship is with the Father and with his Son, Jesus Christ. We write this to make our joy complete.” The actual fact is this is the whole reason for the Bible and the redemption and salvation of mankind, to have fellowship with the Father and his Son, Jesus! Not only now but forever and in so doing to make your joy complete! Forever! So, how are your relationships? How are they with others? And how’s your vertical relationship with Jesus? It’s like the American Express card… You can’t leave earth without it!

Gravity and Scripture
Two Bible references are helpful in considering the nature of gravity and physical science in general. First, Colossians 1:17 explains that Christ is before all things, and by Him all things consist. The Greek verb for consist (sunistao) means to cohere, preserve, or hold together. Extrabiblical Greek use of this word pictures a container holding water within itself. The word is used in Colossians in the perfect tense, which normally implies a present continuing state arising from a completed past action. One physical mechanism used is obviously gravity, established by the Creator and still maintained without flaw today. Consider the alternative; if gravity ceased for one moment, instant chaos surely would result. All heavenly objects, including the earth, moon and stars, would no longer hold together. Everything would immediately disintegrate into small fragments.
A second reference, Hebrews 1:3, declares that Christ upholds all things by the word of His power. Uphold (phero) again describes the sustaining or maintaining of all things, including gravity. The word uphold in this verse means much more than simply supporting a weight. It includes control of all the ongoing motions and changes within the universe. This infinite task is managed by the Lord’s almighty Word, whereby the universe itself was first called into being. Gravity, the ‘mystery force’, which is poorly understood after nearly four centuries of research, is one of the manifestations of this awesome divine upholding.

For more on gravity: http://www.answersingenesis.org/creation/v22/i3/gravity.asp

[Syke]

Syke, science can't prove nothing! If they could we wouldn't have legal abortion in the United States now would we? And scientists believe in Evolution, and I can prove that wrong in so many ways. So science can't prove anything important! In todays society science is another religion!

I love how science proved everything we know to be true. Like the Earth is not the center of the Universe, the Earth is not flat, and we live in the Milkyway Galaxy which is also not the center of the Universe.

And here's the kicker. The RELIGIOUS morons are the ones who said the Earth was flat and that EVERYTHING revolves around the Earth. Strange, don't you think?

To address your other points, abortion is legal in the US, in some states minors don't even need parental consent to get an abortion. It's just that those pro-life idiots have a shit-fit over the subject of abortion.

That was the whole Roe v. Wade lawsuit in the Supreme Court was about back in 1973, abortion was ruled legal because constitutionally the US Government can't tell you what to do with your body.

But this about religion so I'm done with abortion.

If you can prove to me how evolution is shit, please I'd love to hear your presumably flawed logic behind that one...

[Stipt]

I love how science proved everything we know to be true. Like the Earth is not the center of the Universe, the Earth is not flat, and we live in the Milkyway Galaxy which is also not the center of the Universe.

And here's the kicker. The RELIGIOUS morons are the ones who said the Earth was flat and that EVERYTHING revolves around the Earth. Strange, don't you think?

To address your other points, abortion is legal in the US, in some states minors don't even need parental consent to get an abortion. It's just that those pro-life idiots have a shit-fit over the subject of abortion.

That was the whole Roe v. Wade lawsuit in the Supreme Court was about back in 1973, abortion was ruled legal because constitutionally the US Government can't tell you what to do with your body.

But this about religion so I'm done with abortion.

If you can prove to me how evolution is shit, please I'd love to hear your presumably flawed logic behind that one...

The Bible states many things about the earth not being flat. And it says how the sun is the center of our galaxy.

Although the Bible is not primarily a book of science, it does contain numerous scientific facts. We laugh at the scientific knowledge of just a hundred years ago. If man alone were the author of the Bible, we would expect to find many such humorous errors contained in it. However, if we examine the scientific data of the Bible and find it to be accurate to present-day knowledge, then we have powerful evidence for divine authorship. The scientific facts we are about to examine are not only accurate, but were revealed thousands of years before man discovered them for himself. The Bible does not contain any errors typical of the time in which it was written. Would we expect anything less from a book written by God?

The earth is round!

You may be surprised to learn that the Bible revealed that the earth is round. Job 26:10, Prov 8:27, Isaiah 40:22, Amos 9:6. Today, we chuckle at the people of the fifteenth century who feared sailing because they thought they would fall over the edge of the flat earth. Yet the Bible revealed the truth in 1000 B.C. 2500 years before man discovered it for himself!

Genesis 1:6-7 says that God made the firmament and called the firmament Heaven. Since the firmament divided the waters above from the waters below, it was clearly local to the Earth. But in Genesis 1:14-18, God made lights and placed them in this firmament - just above the Earth. The ancients simply did not understand the immense distances that are really involved. Genesis also said that the two great lights (the sun and moon) were there to rule over night and day. Again, the ancient writers did not understand that the sun and moon shine on regardless of which hemisphere of Earth faces them from time to time. To them, the Earth really was the center of the universe.

And the Bible was written before man proved it to be true!

It also takes more faith to believe that everything happened by chance than to believe it was created. I don't go to a junkyard and push lots of junk into a hole and blow it up and outcomes an airplane. Why don't monkeys still turn into humans? Evolution is been proved wrong in so many ways!!!

To be clear, I don't believe in arguing so this is a creative discussion.

[Syke]

I’m sure most of you have heard of Albert Einstein’s theory of relativity (equivalence of mass and energy/mass and velocity) E=mc2, it is well known, at least as a saying, even if not truly understood. To briefly summarize the theory it means that mass and energy are relative to each other. But in reality Einstein’s theory of the laws of the physical universe are applicable to the very core of what life is all about, because life is about relationships, and people like mass and energy are relative to each other and God.

According to Mr. Webster the word “relative” means: 1. a thing having a relation to or connection with or necessary dependence upon another thing; 2. not absolute or independent. And the word “relativity” means: 1. the quality or state of being relative: esp.: dependence on something else. According to God’s Theory of Relativity we are we are not independent (as much as we strive to be), but actually dependent beings. You no doubt have heard the expression “no man is an island”, which attests to the fact that no one can do it alone. We need each other and we need God. And actually it’s not really God’s theory it is, in reality, a fact of life. Humans were created for relationships.

No individual is complete in himself or herself. No one! No individual can reach his or her total potential or realize their true fulfillment in life on their own. We are all interdependent. We must have help to become what we were designed to be both collectively as a people and individually as a person. We are interdependent on relationships with others. And while we are dependent on the horizontal relationships, person to person, to help define and mature us, it is the vertical relationship with Christ that propels us to a higher level. This is the key relationship that will define us not only for time but for eternity!

The Apostle John wrote in First John chapter 1 and verses 3 and 4, “We proclaim to you what we have seen and heard, so that you also may have fellowship with us. And our fellowship is with the Father and with his Son, Jesus Christ. We write this to make our joy complete.” The actual fact is this is the whole reason for the Bible and the redemption and salvation of mankind, to have fellowship with the Father and his Son, Jesus! Not only now but forever and in so doing to make your joy complete! Forever! So, how are your relationships? How are they with others? And how’s your vertical relationship with Jesus? It’s like the American Express card… You can’t leave earth without it!

Gravity and Scripture
Two Bible references are helpful in considering the nature of gravity and physical science in general. First, Colossians 1:17 explains that Christ is before all things, and by Him all things consist. The Greek verb for consist (sunistao) means to cohere, preserve, or hold together. Extrabiblical Greek use of this word pictures a container holding water within itself. The word is used in Colossians in the perfect tense, which normally implies a present continuing state arising from a completed past action. One physical mechanism used is obviously gravity, established by the Creator and still maintained without flaw today. Consider the alternative; if gravity ceased for one moment, instant chaos surely would result. All heavenly objects, including the earth, moon and stars, would no longer hold together. Everything would immediately disintegrate into small fragments.
A second reference, Hebrews 1:3, declares that Christ upholds all things by the word of His power. Uphold (phero) again describes the sustaining or maintaining of all things, including gravity. The word uphold in this verse means much more than simply supporting a weight. It includes control of all the ongoing motions and changes within the universe. This infinite task is managed by the Lord’s almighty Word, whereby the universe itself was first called into being. Gravity, the ‘mystery force’, which is poorly understood after nearly four centuries of research, is one of the manifestations of this awesome divine upholding.

For more on gravity: http://www.answersingenesis.org/creation/v22/i3/gravity.asp

Now you're just preaching your bullshit. This thread about how religion is false and just a bunch of lies, exaggerated claims and false promises. Attempting a justification of religion with religion is stupid. It's like saying "I've been to Jupiter" and then trying to justify this to a skeptic by saying "I've been to Jupiter" a second time, you're not proving a thing, you are just restating what people already don't believe.

If you want us all to believe in your god bring us proven tangible evidence that it exists, this is part of what drives me insane about religious people, they say there is a god and try to prove it by saying shit like "well the bible says so" or "these were real people" or "jesus was real". Just because you, or a book says something doesn't make it true.

Furthermore religious people are entrenched in their false beliefs that they will believe anything in their holy book. The bible has talking snakes and donkeys for crying out loud, the Quran has effing dragons in it. How insanely ridiculous does your book have to get before you start questioning what it's claiming to be true?

The Bible states many things about the earth not being flat. And it says how the sun is the center of our galaxy.

Although the Bible is not primarily a book of science, it does contain numerous scientific facts. We laugh at the scientific knowledge of just a hundred years ago. If man alone were the author of the Bible, we would expect to find many such humorous errors contained in it. However, if we examine the scientific data of the Bible and find it to be accurate to present-day knowledge, then we have powerful evidence for divine authorship. The scientific facts we are about to examine are not only accurate, but were revealed thousands of years before man discovered them for himself. The Bible does not contain any errors typical of the time in which it was written. Would we expect anything less from a book written by God?


The only book with more holes in it is a book that's been at the business end of a Vulcan Minigun.

I'm almost tempted to buy a bible, read through it (assuming I can manage such a thing without killing myself) and taking notes on every inconsistency I find. By the time I get done with that I'll have a book of my own full of the errors contained within the bible.

[Stipt]

I think your a bit mad I proved all your points wrong.


By Marilyn Adamson
5. Does God exist? We know God exists because he pursues us. He is constantly initiating and seeking for us to come to him.

I was an atheist at one time. And like many atheists, the issue of people believing in God bothered me greatly. What is it about atheists that we would spend so much time, attention, and energy refuting something that we don't believe even exists?! What causes us to do that? When I was an atheist, I attributed my intentions as caring for those poor, delusional people...to help them realize their hope was completely ill-founded. To be honest, I also had another motive. As I challenged those who believed in God, I was deeply curious to see if they could convince me otherwise. Part of my quest was to become free from the question of God. If I could conclusively prove to believers that they were wrong, then the issue is off the table, and I would be free to go about my life.

I didn't realize that the reason the topic of God weighed so heavily on my mind, was because God was pressing the issue. I have come to find out that God wants to be known. He created us with the intention that we would know him. He has surrounded us with evidence of himself and he keeps the question of his existence squarely before us. It was as if I couldn't escape thinking about the possibility of God. In fact, the day I chose to acknowledge God's existence, my prayer began with, "Ok, you win..." It might be that the underlying reason atheists are bothered by people believing in God is because God is actively pursuing them.

I am not the only one who has experienced this. Malcolm Muggeridge, socialist and philosophical author, wrote, "I had a notion that somehow, besides questing, I was being pursued." C.S. Lewis said he remembered, "...night after night, feeling whenever my mind lifted even for a second from my work, the steady, unrelenting approach of Him whom I so earnestly desired not to meet. I gave in, and admitted that God was God, and knelt and prayed: perhaps, that night, the most dejected and reluctant convert in all of England."

Lewis went on to write a book titled, "Surprised by Joy" as a result of knowing God. I too had no expectations other than rightfully admitting God's existence. Yet over the following several months, I became amazed by his love for me.

More to prove he exists: http://www.everystudent.com/features/isthere.html

Oh go ahead and buy a Bible (KJV) and try to prove something wrong or some contradiction. I guarantee you won't, you may not understand it but there is nothing wrong. If you don't understand it I have a verse for that!

And anyways Everyone will believe in God at 1 point in time! Romans 14:11 states

"For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God."

:D

[Syke]

I think your a bit mad I proved all your points wrong.

I think you're a little blind. I'm not mad nor have you proved me wrong, in fact it is quite the other way around.

Religious nuts try to defend their false beliefs with shoddy logic and false evidence which is what you've been doing this entire time.

I can backup my statements with science that's proven and can be researched anywhere. All you're doing is taking science and trying to twist it to suit your argument when all you are doing is distorting proof and turning into nonsense that's not justifying a single thing.

Typical religious person you are though, you won't hear conventional logic or reasoning as to why you are incorrect on the topic of deities and simply rebut a statement with more false religious claims and logic. I'm going to explain to you now why a god can't exist.

1.) We live in a finite universe (everything has limitations) a god is unlimited according to you, all knowing and all powerful. Which means infinite energy is required which is impossible, because as stated everything is limited. Kind of like the unstoppable force paradox (What happens when an unstoppable force meets an immovable object). Firstly an unstoppable force requires infinite energy which is impossible, and the immovable object requires infinite mass, also impossible. Such an object would collapse under it's own gravity forming a singularity, and the unstoppable force would simply just destroy everything.

2.) If something exists there IS a way to detect it, either through one of the five senses or another means such as a special device engineered for just such a purpose, thusly tangible evidence can be produced. For example if I say to a def man that sound is coming out of a speaker, and he were to lay his hand on it and not feel the vibrations, he has the right to claim there is no sound coming from it. If I insist there is sound the blind man may pull out a device to measure sound waves, if none are detected then clearly my claim is quite false.

(Source for above statements http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YLlSySWuoiA)

Also a few side notes if your god loves us all so much, why is the world in such poor shape? Why is there a special place where humans can go to be in agony until the end of time? If you love someone would you not want the best for them, or would you not want to save them from such a horrible fate as to suffer and be in pain and agony until the end of time?

Religious logic, and religion itself are extremely flawed and it basically boils down to the "because I said so" school of 'truth'. If religion was real or could be proved the number of religious people today would not be declining and so many people would not question the subject.

[Stipt]

No I gave verses that state things science proved rather recently. And the Bible states God is a spirit, so really we don't know what he is composed of. Well I can prove something wrong in your statement. As you can we don't know the size of space, so how can we say it doesn't go on forever. We can't make that statement, therefore we can't say everything it limitless. God is Omnipotent Omniscient & Omnipresent. And we can't see anything for evolution so how could anybody believe in it. We didn't see any of that, but we see many things that the Bible states. Cities. Natural disasters! Human nature! what else is needed. And you stated!

1.) We live in a finite universe (everything has limitations) a god is unlimited according to you, all knowing and all powerful. Which means infinite energy is required which is impossible, because as stated everything is limited. Kind of like the unstoppable force paradox (What happens when an unstoppable force meets an immovable object). Firstly an unstoppable force requires infinite energy which is impossible, and the immovable object requires infinite mass, also impossible. Such an object would collapse under it's own gravity forming a singularity, and the unstoppable force would simply just destroy everything.

But we can't prove it so you just lied!

[Syke]

No I gave verses that state things science proved rather recently. And the Bible states God is a spirit, so really he wouldn't compose of matter or energy.

You gave verses from religious text, which is what is being disproven here, you can't justify something with itself. Like defining a word, If I asked you to define the word pandemonium, you replying that it's meaning is pandemonium is just moronic. And that is essentially what you are doing.

Also existence is that which is composed of matter or energy. If something is composed of neither matter, nor energy, it therefor does not exist. So spirits cannot exist.

And before you rebut that with "explain thoughts" like someone earlier in this thread I will.

Thoughts are in fact energy, if you are thinking brain activity is occurring, if brain activity is occurring your brain is firing off tiny electrical pulses to make things happen in there. Thus thoughts are composed of energy.

[Stipt]

We are made of matter and energy. What we can't see or don't know about we can't say what it is made of. And you didn't reply on your lie about everything being limitless! I want to see what you got to say about that :D

And like I said to prove the Bible correct I stated things in it before man proved it. And the Bible says there will be natural disaster when Jesus' coming again is close! We have earthquakes going on like crazy! Hurricanes and more!


Jesus then proceeded to list a series of signs. Before we look at the signs, it is necessary to understand that in prophecy, there are often minor as well as major fulfilments. The minor fulfilment, which normally happens soon after the prophecy is given, provides proof that the greater fulfilment will also come to pass. So we need to consider what the minor and major fulfilments are. But first, let's detail what the signs are, as listed in Luke 21.
False Christs (Verse 8)
Wars and Revolutions (Verse 9 & 10)
Earthquakes (Verse 11)
Famines (Verse 11)
Plagues or Pestilences (Verse 11)
Fearful Events (Verse 11)
Signs from heaven (Verse 11)
Persecution of Believers by Authorities(Verse 12)
Betrayal of Believers by those close to them (Verse 16)
Believers hated because of Christ (Verse 17)
Jerusalem surrounded (Verse 20)
Jews will fall by the sword, be taken prisoner and be dispersed (Verse 24)
Jerusalem trampled by the Gentiles (non-Jews) until the end of the Gentile times (Verse 24)
Signs in the sun, moon and stars (Verse 25)
Nations will be in anguish and perplexity (Verse 25)
Men will faint from terror (Verse 26)
http://www.bible-uk.com/days1.htm

Also read the story about Bush and his Vacation Home! when he was in Israel trying to convince them to give land to the palestinians, a hurricane (The Great Storm) I think it was hit his vacation home that had huge hurricane walls and totally destroyed the house. Now the Bible states all enemies of Israel will be cursed and all protectors of Israel will be blessed! Read the book how Satan turned America against God!

[Syke]

We are made of matter and energy. What we can't see or don't know about we can't say what it is made of. And you didn't reply on your lie about everything being limitless! I want to see what you got to say about that

We can't see air now can we? But we know it contains nitrogen, oxygen, carbon dioxide and other gases. We can't see black holes but we know they are solid objects and are there. Just because we can't see something doesn't mean can't speak of it's composition. It's a PROVEN SCIENTIFIC FACT that existence is that which is composed of matter or energy, accept it or don't but it won't change the fact that it's true.

Reply to what lie? I'm stating science here, all this is fact, we know things are limited here in the Universe, the sun was born, it will age, and it will die. If you could manage to travel far enough you will find the end of the Universe, go in the exact opposite direction and you will find the other end.

Like I said, religious people use flawed logic such are you are doing, have been doing, and will continue to do until you forfeit this argument because you've run out of crap to make up to try and justify your standing on the matter. This isn't a discussion you can win, science trumps "because I said so" every day of the week. And just because you don't accept the science as true doesn't make it false. It just makes you wrong.

[Stipt]

We can't see air now can we? But we know it contains nitrogen, oxygen, carbon dioxide and other gases. We can't see black holes but we know they are solid objects and are there. Just because we can't see something doesn't mean can't speak of it's composition. It's a PROVEN SCIENTIFIC FACT that existence is that which is composed of matter or energy, accept it or don't but it won't change the fact that it's true.

Reply to what lie? I'm stating science here, all this is fact, we know things are limited here in the Universe, the sun was born, it will age, and it will die. If you could manage to travel far enough you will find the end of the Universe, go in the exact opposite direction and you will find the other end.

Like I said, religious people use flawed logic such are you are doing, have been doing, and will continue to do until you forfeit this argument because you've run out of crap to make up to try and justify your standing on the matter. This isn't a discussion you can win, science trumps "because I said so" every day of the week. And just because you don't accept the science as true doesn't make it false. It just makes you wrong.

No I havn't so you know for fact the space ends? how could you? you havn't seen the end! You say God can't exist because we can't see him though you believe there is an end to space even though we can't see it! Your theory is got flaws! And I havn't run out of anything!

Iv posted many verses that prove the Bible correct! And man thinks because he proves anything true he is the first to discover it! Well the Bible states things that man just proved true so the Bible has more science in it than man will ever know. The Bible also states that the life is in the Blood, and man were stupid when they killed George Washington by taking his blood, if the read the Bible they would of known not to do what they did.

The best person for proving evolution wrong and alot of science is Dr.Dino http://www.drdino.com/ Watch his videos.

Creation in common sense: http://www.drdino.com/media-categories.php?c=creation+in+common+sense

Watch how to prove God exists!

part 1-3

And another website: http://www.proofthatgodexists.org/

Watch and studies those and you will figure out that every man believes in God!

[Syke]

No I havn't so you know for fact the space ends? how could you? you havn't seen the end! You say God can't exist because we can't see him though you believe there is an end to space even though we can't see it! Your theory is got flaws! And I havn't run out of anything!

Iv posted many verses that prove the Bible correct! And man thinks because he proves anything true he is the first to discover it! Well the Bible states things that man just proved true so the Bible has more science in it than man will ever know. The Bible also states that the life is in the Blood, and man were stupid when they killed George Washington by taking his blood, if the read the Bible they would of known not to do what they did.

Who's mad now, hmm? And I told you more than once defending religion with religion is pointless, so stop, you are just incorrect.

I don't believe there is an end to space, I know there is. I've stated more than once now that it's known that everything is limited, so therefor the Universe ends somewhere. The only time not being able to see something makes it false is when proof cannot be produced, in the case of religion.

I also did not state that a god doesn't exist because we can't see it. I said a god does not exist because there is no proof, there is no possible way to produce proof, and the god you speak of is limitless, and as I already stated everything is limited.

To the contrary, your logic flawed, and my posts are not theories, they are facts. And you may not have run out of bullshit reasons yet but you can't keep making up crap forever, I however can provide scientific proof.

Not only do you not know your science and truth, but you also don't know your history either Washington didn't die of blood loss, he died of asphyxiation, he woke up one night and just couldn't breath. Though he did believe in blood letting but the physician only took 1 pint of blood, there are 15 pints in the human body and you need to lose 5 pints before it becomes deadly.

Your grammar fails by the way.

[Stipt]

Who's mad now, hmm? And I told you more than once defending religion with religion is pointless, so stop, you are just incorrect.

I don't believe there is an end to space, I know there is. I've stated more than once now that it's known that everything is limited, so therefor the Universe ends somewhere. The only time not being able to see something makes it false is when proof cannot be produced, in the case of religion.

I also did not state that a god doesn't exist because we can't see it. I said a god does not exist because there is no proof, there is no possible way to produce proof, and the god you speak of is limitless, and as I already stated everything is limited.

To the contrary, your logic flawed, and my posts are not theories, they are facts. And you may not have run out of bullshit reasons yet but you can't keep making up crap forever, I however can provide scientific proof.

Not only do you not know your science and truth, but you also don't know your history either Washington didn't die of blood loss, he died of asphyxiation, he woke up one night and just couldn't breath. Though he did believe in blood letting but the physician only took 1 pint of blood, there are 15 pints in the human body and you need to lose 5 pints before it becomes deadly.

Your grammar fails by the way.

No I do know my history you don't. And you can't say that space ends you can't see it so there is nothing to prove it does. I ain't mad this is actually fun for me. I was having a boring day until I found this topic. Ok logic:

Laws of Logic

Universal: x
Immaterial: x
Unchanging: x

God of Scripture

Universal: x
Immaterial: x
Unchanging: x

The ultimate proof of creation & God:

If Biblical creation were not true we could not know anything.

And if you don't understand that then you are not as smart as you think you are.

How George Washington Died!

Basically, he died of a sore throat. Some sources might also say pneumonia. He died in 1799. He was treated in 1799 for a throat infection by means of bloodletting, or draining the 'bad blood'. This was common in those times. Some say they drained up to 5 pints from his body. He died shortly after the treatment.

Back to space, how can you know it ends? Just not possible.

Romans 1:20 (King James Version)

20For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

Oh and the page of videos I linked above watch part 3. It explains how science & logic is based off the Bible!

[Syke]

No I do know my history you don't. And you can't say that space ends you can't see it so there is nothing to prove it does. I ain't mad this is actually fun for me. I was having a boring day until I found this topic. Ok logic:

Laws of Logic

Universal: x
Immaterial: x
Unchanging: x

God of Scripture

Universal: x
Immaterial: x
Unchanging: x

The ultimate proof of creation & God:

If Biblical creation were not true we could not know anything.

And if you don't understand that then you are not as smart as you think you are.

I know my history, thanks. I've researched Washington many a time before, I know how he died, losing 1 pint of blood is not nearly enough to kill a fully grown man.

You are contradicting yourself now. You say I can't say space ends because I can't see it, and therefor I cannot prove that it has an end. Now I'm going to apply this theory to your god.

You can't say there is a god because you can't see it, and therefor you cannot prove that it exists. Same logic, different concept. Do you see the error?

Your logic I flawed beyond reason, quite before you make yourself look like a total buffoon.

I'm going to say it again because you seem abnormally thick. EVERYTHING is limited, including the Universe, therefor it has an end somewhere.

Again, your logic is flawed. You keep saying god this go that, the bible is real this the bible say that. You are starting to annoy me with your lack of intelligence. Show me the proof or shut the fuck up. Saying something doesn't make it so. If that were the case I'd have trillions of dollars and own the planet, but do I? No, I don't. One more time for you since you seem to be extremely slow. If there is no proof, or no proof can be provided IT IS NOT REAL!

[Stipt]

I know my history, thanks. I've researched Washington many a time before, I know how he died, losing 1 pint of blood is not nearly enough to kill a fully grown man.

You are contradicting yourself now. You say I can't say space ends because I can't see it, and therefor I cannot prove that it has an end. Now I'm going to apply this theory to your god.

You can't say there is a god because you can't see it, and therefor you cannot prove that it exists. Same logic, different concept. Do you see the error?

Your logic I flawed beyond reason, quite before you make yourself look like a total buffoon.

I'm going to say it again because you seem abnormally thick. EVERYTHING is limited, including the Universe, therefor it has an end somewhere.

Again, your logic is flawed. You keep saying god this go that, the bible is real this the bible say that. You are starting to annoy me with your lack of intelligence. Show me the proof or shut the fuck up. Saying something doesn't make it so. If that were the case I'd have trillions of dollars and own the planet, but do I? No, I don't. One more time for you since you seem to be extremely slow. If there is no proof, or no proof can be provided IT IS NOT REAL!

With the space thing I am using that to prove you can't say there is no God! & I gave you enough proof. You fail to realize that you are wrong and We can't prove than George Washington lost only 1 pt of blood.

Your asking me to prove God real with out the Bible the base of my beliefs, thats like me asking you to prove God not real without science. I never did that so really stop asking me to remove my base of beliefs. You have not proved anything I linked to be untrue although everything I linked or said proves God to be real and that science would not be real without Creation & God. Understand that.

You said I couldn't say God is real because I can't see him and I have to prove him real, well I was saying you can't prove that space ends because you can't see it. You think I need proof, but you don't!

[expo]

Can no one on these forums take a fucking joke? I mean honestly, I say something then everyone jumps on its literal meaning rather than the implied meaning.

Someone is angry.

church is the devil. end of story




Muslims can go to Hell.
Satanists Rule!
Mormons are frakked in the head.
Christians need to be locked away forever
baptists, sing to much
Catholics need to be shot. dam pedophiles
Buddists.......need to grow some hair
Scientologists. need to shoot themselves along with their god Tom Cruise.


And everybody goes home happy and prays to Lord Satan to have pitty on them.

lolSatanists, best joke ever. If you can't make up a religion about a God, pick something that is equally mythical. Like Satan, Santa, or a unicorn.

[Syke]

With the space thing I am using that to prove you can't say there is no God! & I gave you enough proof. You fail to realize that you are wrong and We can't prove than George Washington lost only 1 pt of blood.

Your asking me to prove God real with out the Bible the base of my beliefs, thats like me asking you to prove God not real without science. I never did that so really stop asking me to remove my base of beliefs. You have not proved anything I linked to be untrue although everything I linked or said proves God to be real and that science would not be real without Creation & God. Understand that.

You said I couldn't say God is real because I can't see him and I have to prove him real, well I was saying you can't prove that space ends because you can't see it. You think I need proof, but you don't!

You are so stupid I don't even know where to begin or how to deal with this level of retardation.

I'm applying YOUR logic about space's end to the concept of a god, to argue that they are totally different is moronic. It is also you failing to realize you are wrong, I've supplied fact after fact after fact after fact, and continue to argue that everything I've said is bullshit, when it's actually the other way around.

Holy shit are you serious? I can't prove Washington lost 1 pint of blood? You have everything so ass backwards I'm wondering how you manage to breathe on your own. It's part of recorded history and is also a fact, you are saying fact and proof are false but religion and "because I say so" are the truth.

You are wrong again. Me asking you to prove religion without religion is not even close to the same as you asking me to disprove religion without science they are different concepts. Instead of saying that religion is true by saying things from your religion, prove it with science.

I have proved everything you posted to be false so many times it's not funny anymore, you are just too retarded to see that. Everything you linked is just more religious idiots claiming that their religion is real with shoddy logic and idiotic claims.

I'm going to take your logic and apply it to what I said again. You say you don't need proof that a god exists for it to be real. Well in that case I don't need proof of the end of space for it to be real, and just because I said so make it correct. NO.

You are so fucking retarded this is just getting ridiculous. It started as an intellectual discussion and went down hill to the retard who lost his adult that follows him around wiping the drool from his chin. Just stop trying, everything you are saying now is just stupid.

[Xyolexus]

Religion fails.

[Syke]

Religion fails.

As does Stipt.

[Stipt]

Fail again, You twisted the way I put things. And as it states George Washington could of lost 5 pt of blood in his procedure. And you havn't proved anything wrong, you just get mad and state everything I say is false. I have proved everything you stated to be false over and over and over again. Now you have to use language when it is uncalled for. And yes you ask me to prove God to be true without using my base of belief (The Bible) which is the foundation of science. Then after asking me this you want to continue to use science to prove God not to be true. You fail. You fail to believe after I point out fact after fact after fact. Iv pointed out verse after verse stating many things and the book has been around for over 2500 years. Now man recently found out that the universe is sun centered, I gave a verse for that. They recently figured out gravity, I gave a verse for that, and many other things you tried to throw at me and I just proved the Bible correct. Your just helping me. Iv given you verses that state natural disasters and there happening like crazy now more than ever. I have pointed out fact after fact after fact all proving the Bible to be true and correct and you still fail to see it. The Bible states the life of the body is in the blood and man has recently found that out. yet they still allow abortion even though the baby has its own heartbeat and blood. Tell me why science can't stop abortion? Its because man fails and is in-fact just a sinful creature. When I say man has recently figured this stuff out, its because the Bible has been around for ages and mans knowledge hasn't.

[Syke]

Fail again, You twisted the way I put things. And as it states George Washington could of lost 5 pt of blood in his procedure. And you havn't proved anything wrong, you just get mad and state everything I say is false. I have proved everything you stated to be false over and over and over again. Now you have to use language when it is uncalled for. And yes you ask me to prove God to be true without using my base of belief (The Bible) which is the foundation of science. Then after asking me this you want to continue to use science to prove God not to be true. You fail. You fail to believe after I point out fact after fact after fact. Iv pointed out verse after verse stating many things and the book has been around for over 2500 years. Now man recently found out that the universe is sun centered, I gave a verse for that. They recently figured out gravity, I gave a verse for that, and many other things you tried to throw at me and I just proved the Bible correct. Your just helping me. Iv given you verses that state natural disasters and there happening like crazy now more than ever. I have pointed out fact after fact after fact all proving the Bible to be true and correct and you still fail to see it. The Bible states the life of the body is in the blood and man has recently found that out. yet they still allow abortion even though the baby has its own heartbeat and blood. Tell me why science can't stop abortion? Its because man fails and is in-fact just a sinful creature. When I say man has recently figured this stuff out, its because the Bible has been around for ages and mans knowledge hasn't.

You're retarded. The bible is the base of your science? It's not science, it's religion. If religion was the same thing as science we wouldn't be discussing this. Way to fail.

And actually you ramble on about religion is true without giving scientific proof, you just say thing from the bible which is the subject of this debate on truth. I'm not getting mad because I'm wrong, I'm getting annoyed because you are so stupid you can realize how hard you fail and you can't see what I'm saying is true because I can back it up with science.

And I'm not twisting anything. I'm taking your shoddy logic and applying it to the things you are claiming, you can't see for some reason that your logic does not apply only to me, but to you as well. You can sit here cry about how I'm wrong all day but the fact remains you are blind and are the incorrect one.

[Stipt]

1. I ain't crying. And every science fact you stated that was true I already showed you it was in the Bible 2500 years ago. I am using science just like you I just take it from a book thats existed 2500 years ago when Jesus gave the words of wisdom to man to put together. And you are stating thing that have just been figured out by man pretty recent. Theres nothing flawless about what I state.

[expo]

Religion fails.

As does science, fat people, kids, and Satan.

[Syke]

1. I ain't crying. And every science fact you stated that was true I already showed you it was in the Bible 2500 years ago. I am using science just like you I just take it from a book thats existed 2500 years ago when Jesus gave the words of wisdom to man to put together. And you are stating thing that have just been figured out by man pretty recent. Theres nothing flawless about what I state.

Riiiiiiiight.... Your logic isn't flawed, and the sky isn't blue.

Anyway I'm done trying to show you why you are so stupid, I've got more important things to do right now that argue with an idiot. You are so thick I could sit here and assemble a team of scientists to prove you wrong like I've been doing but you'd still deny that you are wrong.

Have fun with your imaginary friend and false beliefs, just try not to be too let down when the supposed judgement day gets here and nothing happens.

[expo]

Riiiiiiiight.... Your logic isn't flawed, and the sky isn't blue.

Anyway I'm done trying to show you why you are so stupid, I've got more important things to do right now that argue with an idiot. You are so thick I could sit here and assemble a team of scientists to prove you wrong like I've been doing but you'd still deny that you are wrong.

Have fun with your imaginary friend and false beliefs, just try not to be too let down when the supposed judgement day gets here and nothing happens.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v318/McChang/5.jpg

[Syke]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v318/McChang/5.jpg

This is relevant to the topic how?

[khaled123]

i em starting to hate this thread plz stop after all all will do what they want and no one can stop them only god can so lets close this thread what do you think people

[expo]

That pic was about as relevant to Intellectual Discussion as the comments of this thread.

[khaled123]

i know but i just cant understand this thread thats why we must stop :)

[Syke]

That pic was about as relevant to Intellectual Discussion as the comments of this thread.

We are discussing religion so.... And I'll tell you what I told mag. I didn't post this in intellectual discussion, I posted it in general chat, take it up with the mod who moved it here.

i em starting to hate this thread plz stop after all all will do what they want and no one can stop them only god can so lets close this thread what do you think people

Don't even get me started again...

And lets not close this thread, it's for discussing religion and that's happening.

[khaled123]

We are discussing religion so.... And I'll tell you what I told mag. I didn't post this in intellectual discussion, I posted it in general chat, take it up with the mod who moved it here.



Don't even get me started again...

And lets not close this thread, it's for discussing religion and that's happening.

ok master dont get mad lol :)

[udead]

We are discussing religion so.... And I'll tell you what I told mag. I didn't post this in intellectual discussion, I posted it in general chat, take it up with the mod who moved it here.



Don't even get me started again...

And lets not close this thread, it's for discussing religion and that's happening.

Your on a roll. (i agree with you)

[ryytikki]

Syke, you are awesome and i apologize on behalf of humanity for the complete bullshit you've had to put up with in this thread

The amount of different predicted judgement days that have existed along with the 'signs' that happen every 100 years or so regardless of anything shows that the likelihood of anything happening in the future is just as low

[expo]

We are discussing religion so.... And I'll tell you what I told mag. I didn't post this in intellectual discussion, I posted it in general chat, take it up with the mod who moved it here.


Why so aggressive?

[Stipt]

About time, lol sorry I had to go for school. Good luck with your beliefs :D
And there is only 1 sign left that hasn't happened and its the jubilee. That happens this year in September.

[TheMagic]

Nothing will happen this year in September. Your one of those morons who believe in Y2K, June 6, 2006 and 2012 aren't you?

[expo]

You know what happens when a clock reaches the end of a 24 hour period? It just starts over again. We have the end of epoch soon. And then we are going to start it over again.

[Syke]

About time, lol sorry I had to go for school. Good luck with your beliefs :D
And there is only 1 sign left that hasn't happened and its the jubilee. That happens this year in September.

No.

There are no "cosmic events" or scheduled disasters or regular routine of things happening around the globe, what happens happens just because it does, not because it's "supposed to".

I bet at 11:59 PM on December 31, 1999 you were shitting your pants about Y2K hmm? Then exactly 60 seconds later when nothing happened you felt like a dumbass.

I bet you will also be shitting your pants at 11:59 PM on December 20, 2012. And then exactly 60 seconds later you will feel like an idiot once more when you realize the world didn't end.

So when your judgement day, or rapture or wtf ever you want to call it is supposed to happen. Don't be too disappointed.

@ Everyone else siding with me; thanks for having a brain in your skull and being able to surmise things for yourself instead of just going by what some stupid book says.

[TheMagic]

Even though expo, Syke, and I all have different religious views, I think we all agree you people who believe the world's going to end 2012 are idiots. All of you eschatologists are idiots.

[Sykez]

http://scrapetv.com/News/News%20Pages/Entertainment/Images/jesus.jpg

Book of John 3:16
For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.
For God so greatly loved and dearly prized the world that He [even] gave up His only begotten (unique) Son, so that whoever believes in (trusts in, clings to, relies on) Him shall not perish (come to destruction, be lost) but have eternal (everlasting) life. (AMP)
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

[Syke]

http://scrapetv.com/News/News%20Pages/Entertainment/Images/jesus.jpg

Book of John 3:16
For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.
For God so greatly loved and dearly prized the world that He [even] gave up His only begotten (unique) Son, so that whoever believes in (trusts in, clings to, relies on) Him shall not perish (come to destruction, be lost) but have eternal (everlasting) life. (AMP)
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

No. just, no.

This thread is about PROVING with SCIENCE that religion is real or not. Not preaching your stupid fiction reading everywhere claiming it to be true whilst not backing up with anything more than because a book said it.


Discuss the topic and try provide proof of a god or get the fuck out of my thread you brainwashed christian retard.

[TheMagic]

Don't flame, You didn't flame me when I brought up Christianity, but I'm not gonna try to preach to you if you obviously don't agree with what we think.

[Syke]

Don't flame, You didn't flame me when I brought up Christianity, but I'm not gonna try to preach to you if you obviously don't agree with what we think.

I didn't flame you because unlike Sykez you came prepared making valid points to defend your beliefs, and you actually made a good argument against me.

All Sykez is doing is preaching and quoting his holy book like Stipt.

[Sykez]

What can I say... I love Jesus:)

[TheMagic]

Yeah, wow I just noticed he copied your name, I just don't want the mods to get mad and /closethread, give out infractions etc., etc.

I didn't flame you because unlike Sykez you came prepared making valid points to defend your beliefs, and you actually made a good argument against me.

All Sykez is doing is preaching and quoting his holy book like Stipt.

I'm Christian too, I'm not encouraging you not to preach, just people get mad around here if you just quote something and don't explain it

What can I say... I love Jesus:)

[Syke]

What can I say... I love Jesus:)

Too bad that's not what this thread is about, it's about defending your standing on the matter, which you aren't doing, so leave this thread.

I don't run around screaming "I DON'T BELIEVE IN ANY GODS FUCK YOU ALL" without explaining myself...

[TheMagic]

Sykez maybe you might want to read some of my arguments they're on page 3-4ish

http://www.ac-web.org/forums/showthread.php?t=86058&page=3
http://www.ac-web.org/forums/showthread.php?t=86058&page=4

[Unlimited]

Religion is the opiat of the masses.
Full of shit.
Full of you.

---
Unlimited
Conversation Ender.

[loates101]

LOL,This is a messed up thread.

[Unlimited]

Next person who says they love Jebus is going to get a Pez Despensor shoved up their ass.

/close thread.

[loates101]

Close !!

[Stipt]

You havn't got a clue. I don't believe in the end of the world in 2012 I believe it will end 7770 :D 777 was a good number in the Bible and so I believe Jesus' return will be then. Though man can't really say when it is. All I said is it is close because only 1 sign left and it happens in September!


Oh and I love Jesus he is the 1 and only person that loves all. If you don't like it then leave! I live in a country with freedom of speech and Obama will do only what he can to get rid of it. If its God's will then let it be!

Just because we don't know what happened before the big bang does not automatically make a god exist. Matter can neither be created, nor destroyed. What exists as the universe today was once a singularity. A small point in a big emptiness, and then it became the Universe, some invisible man wasn't chucking some C4 at it.

I'll say this (more science, brace yourself) we live in a finite universe, meaning EVERYTHING has limitations NO exceptions. In order for this god to exist would require infinite resources, which has already been established as not possible. Knowledge of all, requires instantaneous recall of things that have happened, are currently happening, and will happen. Again, not possible.

Also something that exists is made of matter, or energy. Therefore there is a way to detect it, if it cannot be detected, it is not real.

This video coverts the same points and more, and explains it a lot better than I can.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YLlSySWuoiA

I already proved evolution wrong in many ways. The planets prove it wrong monkeys and humans prove it wrong & Charles Darwin in one of his books stated it was false. (Not in those words)! :D

[loates101]

Close it!

[mag1212]

Close it!http://homie.pl/pic/stfu5.jpg

[loates101]

Ok:(

[Xyolexus]

You havn't got a clue. I don't believe in the end of the world in 2012 I believe it will end 7770 :D 777 was a good number in the Bible and so I believe Jesus' return will be then. Though man can't really say when it is. All I said is it is close because only 1 sign left and it happens in September!


Oh and I love Jesus he is the 1 and only person that loves all. If you don't like it then leave! I live in a country with freedom of speech and Obama will do only what he can to get rid of it. If its God's will then let it be!



I already proved evolution wrong in many ways. The planets prove it wrong monkeys and humans prove it wrong & Charles Darwin in one of his books stated it was false. (Not in those words)! :D

Jesus loves all - Bullshit.
Evolution hasn't been proven wrong, and Darwin fought to make people believe in evolution.

[loates101]

:<

[khaled123]

close

[loates101]

Close YES!

[mag1212]

closewhy do you want this thread to be closed? if you dont like this thread ignore it

[AwkwardDev]

Jesus loves all - Bullshit.
Evolution hasn't been proven wrong, and Darwin fought to make people believe in evolution.

At this point I agree with this 13 years old.

[Xyolexus]

At this point I agree with this 13 years old.

Yes, I'm 13, you don't have to point it out at every post, retard.

[khaled123]

why do you want this thread to be closed? if you dont like this thread ignore it

cause its pointles dude i mean if you look at all posts only flames are happening :)

[Syke]

cause its pointles dude i mean if you look at all posts only flames are happening :)

What did you expect? It's about religion, the topic of religion garners as much, or more attention than abortion.

[dfighter]

http://i42.tinypic.com/r296hi.jpg

[khaled123]

What did you expect? It's about religion, the topic of religion garners as much, or more attention than abortion.

oooooo master syke dont get mad :(

[TheMagic]

Are Syke, expo, Xyolexus, and me the only people who don't flame?
(*and I, I know.. Bad grammar)

[Syke]

Are Syke, expo, Xyolexus, and me the only people who don't flame?
(*and I, I know.. Bad grammar)

Apparently so. No one else can make a decent argument either...

[TheMagic]

Close it! *duuuuuuuh*

My argumant:

my noob skillz pwn you all

Close !!
close
Close it!


Edit:

Now I actually do think this thread should be closed it's reached a 'stalemate'

[Stipt]

If you guys new your science and History (Can't learn it in a public school) then you would no that in 1 of Charles Darwin's books he admitted he was wrong! Public School fails!


Quotes by Famous Evolutionists (http://www.anointed-one.net/quotes.html) quotes Charles Darwin as saying:


"Often a cold shudder has run through me, and I have asked myself whether I may have not devoted myself to a fantasy."
(Charles Darwin, Life and Letters, 1887, Vol. 2, p. 229)

Evolutionism's "Flaws" and "Holes" (http://www.creationequation.com/Printable/Print_EvolutionismsFlawsandHoles.htm) tells us:


Charles Darwin characterized his idea as a “rag of an hypothesis with as many flaws and holes as sound parts.” He worried that “I…have devoted my life to a phantasy.” Valid reasons exist for concern.

Top Evidences Against the Theory of Evolution: Bias Towards Evolution (http://emporium.turnpike.net/C/cs/bias.htm) tells us:


Darwin: "I have asked myself whether I may not have devoted my life to a fantasy." "I...am ready to cry with vexation at my blindness and presumption." ([23], p.59)

Facts and Fallacies of the Fossil Record:
Re-Evaluating the Supposed Evidences for Human Evolution (http://www.giftofeternallife.org/books_articles/books/facts_fallicies/02.shtml) tells us:

In the fifth place, even the father of evolution, Charles Darwin, had serious doubts about his own theory. Shortly after Darwin published his infamous book on the origin of species, he wrote in a letter to Charles Lyell: “I have asked myself whether I may not have devoted my life to a fantasy.”13 In another statement in the same letter Darwin wrote: “I am the most miserable, bemuddled, stupid dog in all England, and am ready to cry with vexation at my blindness and presumption.”14 If the father of evolutionary thought stated that his own theory was formulated by “blindness and presumption,” how could anyone argue that he employed good scientific means in arriving at his conclusions. He did not even believe it himself!

The "phantasy"/"fantasy" quote can be found in many other creationists sites:

Answers in Genesis (http://www.answersingenesis.org/docs/1171.asp)
THE THEORY OF EVOLUTION THE COLLAPSE OF A MYTH (http://www.christianity.gr/ef_ag/1999/0399/evolu.htm)
Search for the "Missing Link" (http://www.lifeandpeace.com/life/search_for_the.htm)
Search for the "Missing Link" (http://www.fool4him.com/articles/thompson-stan/MissingLink2.doc) (Word)
CHARLES DARWIN'S IDEAS, THEIR INFLUENCE & THE SOCIAL BACKGROUND (http://www.homeoint.org/morrell/misc/darwin.htm)

The letter which the "phantasy" comment appeared came from The Life and Letters of Charles Darwin edited by edited by Francis Darwin after the death of Charles. It is availiable online and shows an extreme misquote:


Ilkley Wells, Yorkshire,
November 23 [1859].

My dear Lyell,

You seemed to have worked admirably on the species question; there
could not have been a better plan than reading up on the opposite
side. I rejoice profoundly that you intend admitting the doctrine of
modification in your new edition;† nothing, I am convinced, could be
more important for its success. I honour you most sincerely. To have
maintained in the position of a master, one

[Page 25]
side of a question for thirty years, and then deliberately give it up,
is a fact to which I much doubt whether the records of science offer a
parallel. For myself, also, I rejoice profoundly; for, thinking of so
many cases of men pursuing an illusion for years, often and often a
cold shudder has run through me, and I have asked myself whether I may
not have devoted my life to a phantasy. Now I look at it as morally
impossible that investigators of truth, like you and Hooker, can be
wholly wrong, and therefore I rest in peace. Thank you for criticisms,
which, if there be a second edition, I will attend to. I have been
thinking that if I am much execrated as an atheist, etc., whether the
admission of the doctrine of natural selection could injure your
works; but I hope and think not, for as far as I can remember, the
virulence of bigotry is expended on the first offender, and those who
adopt his views are only pitied as deluded, by the wise and cheerful
bigots.

I cannot help thinking that you overrate the importance of the
multiple origin of dogs. The only difference is, that in the case of
single origins, all difference of the races has originated since man
domesticated the species. In the case of multiple origins part of the
difference was produced under natural conditions. I should infinitely
prefer the theory of single origin in all cases, if facts would permit
its reception. But there seems to me some à priori improbability
(seeing how fond savages are of taming animals), that throughout all
times, and throughout all the world, that man should have domesticated
one single species alone, of the widely distributed genus Canis.
Besides this, the close resemblance of at least three kinds of
American domestic dogs to wild species still inhabiting the countries
where they are now domesticated, seem to almost compel admission that
more than one wild Canis has been domesticated by man.

[Page 26]
I thank you cordially for all the generous zeal and interest you have
shown about my book, and I remain, my dear Lyell,
Your affectionate friend and disciple,
CHARLES DARWIN.

Sir J. Herschel, to whom I sent a copy, is going to read my book. He
says he leans to the side opposed to me. If you should meet him after
he has read me, pray find out what he thinks, for, of course, he will
not write; and I should excessively like to hear whether I produce any
effect on such a mind.

[Ed. note]
†It appears from Sir Charles Lyell's published letters that he
intended to admit the doctrine of evolution in a new edition of the
'Manual,' but this was not published till 1865. He was, however, at
work on the 'Antiquity of Man' in 1860, and had already determined to
discuss the 'Origin' at the end of the book.

Source (http://pages.britishlibrary.net/charles.darwin/texts/letters/letters2_01.html)




Now that you read the whole letter you know that Charles Darwin meant the exact opposite of what the creationist quoters want us to think he did. Also notice that the "vexation at my blindness and presumption" statement does not appear in this letter contrary to one of the creationists above wrote. Also note that the first creationist site got the citation wrong.

The "vexation" comment comes from another letter:


C. DARWIN TO J.D. HOOKER.
July 14th [1857?].

...I write now to supplicate most earnestly a favour, viz., the loan of Boreau, Flore du centre de la France, either 1st or 2nd edition, last best; also "Flora Ratisbonensis," by Dr. Fürnrohr, in 'Naturhist. Topographie von Regensburg, 1839.' If you can possibly spare them, will you send them at once to the enclosed address. If you have not them, will you send one line by return of post: as I must try whether Kippist* can anyhow find them, which I fear will be nearly impossible in the Linnean Library, in which I know they are.

I have been making some calculations about varieties, etc., and talking yesterday with Lubbock, he has pointed out to me the grossest blunder which I have made in principle, and which entails two or three weeks' lost work; and I am at a dead-lock till I have these books to go over again, and see what the result of calculation on the right principle is. I am the most miserable, bemuddled, stupid dog in all England, and am ready to cry with vexation at my blindness and presumption.

Ever yours, most miserably,
C. DARWIN.

*The late Mr. Kippist was at this time in charge of the Linnean Society's Library.]

Source (http://pages.britishlibrary.net/charles.darwin/texts/letters/letters1_12.html)

Now the planets prove evolution wrong. Why don't humans still turn into monkeys today? wheres the missing link. nothing they say is true. And why when I put 500000 lb of scrap into a whole in a junkyard and blow it up, no aircraft carrier comes out? So where is any proof evolution is correct? It takes more faith to believe in evolution than it does to believe in God! And when something tragic happens like 911, why does everyone (FIGURE OF SPEECH) start praying to *GOD*? America was founded on the principals of the Bible!

[TheMagic]

Charles Darwin was very smart, I'm not sure if he's right though

[Stipt]

He admitted he wasn't so whats not to be sure about lol.

[TheMagic]

I'm not so sure that I believe your post is 'trustworthy'

I'm Christian but what people can do with science is amazing

[Syke]

I'm not so sure that I believe your post is 'trustworthy'

I'm Christian but what people can do with science is amazing

Aye. It's well established we don't believe the same thing, but at least you aren't like Stipt claiming all science is a big steaming load of bullshit.

[TheMagic]

Like you said before people used to think the world was flat, scientists are some of the smartest people in the world, the Church of Scientology is full of crazy priests and pastors though, science is great but the Church of Scientology is filled with morons.

[Syke]

Scientology is a moronic religion. Those people are almost more messed up than Catholics...

[TheMagic]

Orthodox Jews are messed up too, they're like Amish

[Stipt]

I gave you a verse saying the world was round lol. And that article is trustworthy I also have the same thing in last years science book. And I believe alot of science. Just not the crap about there being no God. There is no proof for evolution at all.

[TheMagic]

Didn't you read this?:

I'm Christian but what people can do with science is amazing

And now your flaming by calling Atheism crap

[Stipt]

lol I ain't saying atheism is crap lol. I just think its crap when people say there is no God. Thats a right I have! I ain't trying to make anyone believe something different, I am just proving these religions wrong. (Syke gets mad when ever I give her something that proves her wrong.)

[TheMagic]

But that's what Atheism is, believing there is no God, so you are calling Atheism crap, and Atheism isn't a religion, it's a belief. And I think Syke is male

[Stipt]

I don't know what he she is and sorry for calling you a she if your a male. And I don't think there is anything wrong with dissing a religion. But I didn't mean that towards atheism but now I think I do lol. Have to go clean the church be back soon lol.

[Syke]

But that's what Atheism is, believing there is no God, so you are calling Atheism crap, and Atheism isn't a religion, it's a belief. And I think Syke is male

Last time I checked I was male.

I gave you a verse saying the world was round lol. And that article is trustworthy I also have the same thing in last years science book. And I believe alot of science. Just not the crap about there being no God. There is no proof for evolution at all.

There is more proof of evolution than there is proof of a god. 98% of the DNA of an Orangutan is exactly the same as a modern day human being. The Neanderthals were even more ape-like an primitive in their DNA.

I told you Stipt, I can keep throwing out scientific proof all day to keep proving you wrong but are so thick you think you are always right and I'm always wrong when it's actually the other way around.

[TheMagic]

Even though we're alike Apes that still doesn't mean there isn't a God, my argument for a God is still, Scientists don't know what happened before the Big Bang, and that's why I think there is a God

[Syke]

Even though we're alike Apes that still doesn't mean there isn't a God, my argument for a God is still, Scientists don't know what happened before the Big Bang, and that's why I think there is a God

Aye, being ape-like doesn't disprove a god, but my point was that there is some proof of evolution, which Stipt is saying there isn't

[Stipt]

Ok list some and I'll be glad to show otherwise with science!

:D

[Syke]

Ok list some and I'll be glad to show otherwise with science!

:D

What? Now you're going to try and use science? Oh I'd love to see this failboat waiting to happen. If you apply your flawed logic to it as you have everything else you've said every scientist who ever lived will spin in their graves.

[TheMagic]

I don't think this guy knows what he believes

[Stipt]

I did you science before, but it was Biblical science. I can use the Bible to prove evolution wrong and I can use science. But see you don't believe the Bible so I won't use it in this case unless I need to. I won't remove the base to my belief. Evolution is the easiest thing to prove wrong!

I know what I believe, I don't see why you would say that. I believe in the Alpha and Omega (God). I love him with all my heart! I can prove God is real with an event that happened to my Grandma that should have paralyzed her.

[TheMagic]

Stipt, explain the dinosaurs.

And this is what I believe

i agree with that god could of created the big bang =] im just say for the people that just believe in the big bang and not in god

That's what I think also, I believe in evolution but I'm not sure about evolution of humans, I don't see how humans could come from this:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/70/Darwinius_masillae_PMO_214.214.jpg/225px-Darwinius_masillae_PMO_214.214.jpg
Darwinius masillae (Supposed human common ancestor)

[Syke]

I did you science before, but it was Biblical science. I can use the Bible to prove evolution wrong and I can use science. But see you don't believe the Bible so I won't use it in this case unless I need to. I won't remove the base to my belief. Evolution is the easiest thing to prove wrong!

I know what I believe, I don't see why you would say that. I believe in the Alpha and Omega (God). I love him with all my heart! I can prove God is real with an event that happened to my Grandma that should have paralyzed her.

I told you this already. There is no such thing as biblical science. It's religion, that which is religion is not science. If religion and science were interchangeable this debate between religion and non-religion would not exist.

It's quite obvious you don't know what you are talking about, even though you think you do, even TheMagic is starting to question you and he's a Christian too...

[Stipt]

if that is Edna or whatever, we don't know if its a dino. All we know is that man believes its our ancestor because it has finger nails. It looks nothing like me! Nor any other human being. Why is there only 1? if that were our ancestors there would be alot more being there are billions of us today. And they can't prove how old it is. And with science today it could have been made up. I want proof that thing is real.


And how come the Bible has science facts in it that man just proved recently? There is science in it. Like earth being round, Sun centered universe and gravity. Alot more just too much to point out. If you want more I can look through my Bible for it.

[Syke]

if that is Edna or whatever, we don't know if its a dino. All we know is that man believes its our ancestor because it has finger nails. It looks nothing like me!

Do apes look like you? Aside from the opposable thumbs on their hands no.

if that were our ancestors there would be alot more being there are billions of us today.

Millions of species go extinct every day, the Earth was once populated by the dinosaurs, and they are all dead now aren't they? The Neanderthals are all gone now as well. Modern day humans will disappear too.


And how come the Bible has science facts in it

It doesn't. That's why it's the bible, because it's a religious text, not a scientific documentation.

There is science in it. Like earth being round, Sun centered universe and gravity. Alot more just too much to point out. If you want more I can look through my Bible for it.

The Universe is not Heliocentric (the Sun is at the center) the galaxy we live in isn't even heliocentric. It's just our solar system, which is not at the center of the galaxy, which is not at the center of the universe.

Our solar system is on one of the arms of the Milkyway (because we live in a spiral galaxy). I think you underestimate just how large the Universe is and just how insignificant humans are in comparison.

[Stipt]

Yeah I do believe the humans will go and God will destroy the heavens and earth and create new ones and the Christians will live with him forever. The Bible has a lot of science in it. We do not look like apes at all. And humans killed the dinos :D And how come the usa has turned away from God we can't do anything, we are going to be destroyed! We were fine while we were following God. After they took God and the Bible out of schools, the crime rates shot up. Teen pregnancy shot up, killing stealing shot up. Without God America will crumble. I believe only Russia and Israel will be in the last days. Being the fact that only Russia and Israel are mentioned in Revelation.

[Syke]

Yeah I do believe the humans will go and God will destroy the heavens and earth and create new ones and the Christians will live with him forever. The Bible has a lot of science in it. We do not look like apes at all. And humans killed the dinos :D

Holy fucking failure, I cannot believe what you just said.

First and foremost the bible is not science, it's a religious text, not a scientific one!

And secondly. ARE YOU KIDDING ME?! Please tell me you really didn't just say humans are responsible for the extinction of dinosaurs. Human beings came around some millions of years AFTER the dinosaurs. Not only is it impossible for use to have wiped them out it's also illogical. How could mere humans kill billions of massive beasts weighing tens of thousands of pounds or more.

Even with our technology today regarding guns an ammunition we still have some trouble taking down elephants, and they aren't even near the size of the brontosaurus' and sauroposeidon.

With the technology of the spears and sharpened stones our earliest ancestors had there is no way they were killing all the dinosaurs even if they existed at the same time.

[Stipt]

Have you seen the animals you talk about, how do you know the earth is millions or billions of years old? You don't you are going off beliefs. We don't even know what animals existed and what didn't. I know king David seen a dino swimming. We have not seen any and can't date the earth or anything else. So please with science tell me how you think the earth is that old. From the Bible man can prove it is only 6k years old.

And dinos existed when man had swords, because David seen one and his army had swords. Now we don't know how big any animals were unless we have seen them.

brontosaurus' and sauroposeidon have you seen these? has any man seen these? If so I want pictures and videos.

[expo]

Wow, I really like all the irrelevance, lack of factual information, lack of evidence, and complete utter bullshit from both sides.

Here are both sides:

zOMFG THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS GOD!

zOMFG THERE IS A SUCH THING AS GOD!

[Stipt]

Bout time someone got in lol. And I think I gave enough proof that the Bible was right before man even knew anything about our planet or solar system. Man can't prove that the Bible has 1 lie! Man still finds stuff today that was mentioned in a book written 2500 years ago.

[TheMagic]

Wow.. We've gone over this before in this thread, The earth is millions, humans did not exist while dinosaurs were living and this is the easiest question I've had all day.

Carbon dating.

[Syke]

Have you seen the animals you talk about, how do you know the earth is millions or billions of years old? You don't you are going off beliefs. We don't even know what animals existed and what didn't. I know king David seen a dino swimming. We have not seen any and can't date the earth or anything else. So please with science tell me how you think the earth is that old. From the Bible man can prove it is only 6k years old.

And dinos existed when man had swords, because David seen one and his army had swords. Now we don't know how big any animals were unless we have seen them.

brontosaurus' and sauroposeidon have you seen these? has any man seen these? If so I want pictures and videos.

You are so stupid I'm starting to feel sorry for you.

We have a thing called Radio Carbon Dating. It' used to tell use how old any given material is. It measures the radioactive decay of Carbon, and by this measurement can determine surprisingly accurately how old something is.

This is how we know how old a fossil is. We also know it takes millions of years for a fossil to form, millions of years for Coal and Oil to form. The earth is around 5 billion years, roughly the same age as the Sun.

So I don't think, or believe the earth is billions of years old, I know it is. Because it was PROVEN with SCIENCE! You cannot be this retarded and still maintain the ability to wipe your own ass.

By the way this swimming dinosaur. It was an Alligator or a Crocodile, they are from the time of the dinosaurs, just like sharks.

Dinosaurs WERE NOT living when modern humans were, I don't know how much more clear I can make myself. We also do know how big something is, go to a fucking museum and look at a fossil! Really this is ridiculous. We found the fossils of Sauroposeidon and the Brontosaurus. So yeah, we've seen them, just not living. Because like I said, humans and dinosaurs did not exist at the same time.

There, I told with science how I know the Earth is so old, do you have anymore asinine questions for me to laugh at and then answer?

[expo]

Here is the thing about the Bible. Neither side can prove that it is correct or incorrect. The Bible has been backed up by archeology and even science. (If you don't believe me, it is time for you to learn how to use Google.) And humans are capable of making flaws.

You can chose to believe it is right or wrong, but shut your fucking mouth screaming bloody hell that you are correct. Because I will laugh at you no matter what you think it is.

Wow.. We've gone over this before in this thread, The earth is millions, humans did not exist while dinosaurs were living and this is the easiest question I've had all day.

Carbon dating.

Doesn't carbon dating work by taking what is found in the ground by what level of sediment the object is it? But then, isn't the ground the object found in dated by what objects are found in it?

And last I checked, carbon dating was a theory.

[TheMagic]

I just said that :P But we agree and really? Humans killing dinosaurs?

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/68/Largestdinosaursbysuborder_scale.svg/1000px-Largestdinosaursbysuborder_scale.svg.png

Expo both sides are correct, with what we're talking about now at least, but I don't agree with that there isn't a God

[Stipt]

Radiocarbon dating
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Radiocarbon dating, or carbon dating, is a radiometric dating method that uses the naturally occurring radioisotope carbon-14 (14C) to determine the age of carbonaceous materials up to about 58,000 to 62,000 years.[1] Raw, i.e. uncalibrated, radiocarbon ages are usually reported in radiocarbon years "Before Present" (BP), "Present" being defined as AD 1950. Such raw ages can be calibrated to give calendar dates.
One of the most frequent uses of radiocarbon dating is to estimate the age of organic remains from archaeological sites. When plants fix atmospheric carbon dioxide (CO2) into organic material during photosynthesis they incorporate a quantity of 14C that approximately matches the level of this isotope in the atmosphere (a small difference occurs because of isotope fractionation, but this is corrected after laboratory analysis). After plants die or they are consumed by other organisms (for example, by humans or other animals) the 14C fraction of this organic material declines at a fixed exponential rate due to the radioactive decay of 14C. Comparing the remaining 14C fraction of a sample to that expected from atmospheric 14C allows the age of the sample to be estimated.
The technique of radiocarbon dating was developed by Willard Libby and his colleagues at the University of Chicago in 1949. Emilio Segrè asserted in his autobiography that Enrico Fermi suggested the concept to Libby in a seminar at Chicago that year. Libby estimated that the steady state radioactivity concentration of exchangeable carbon-14 would be about 14 disintegrations per minute (dpm) per gram. In 1960, he was awarded the Nobel Prize in chemistry for this work. He first demonstrated the accuracy of radiocarbon dating by accurately estimating the age of wood from an ancient Egyptian royal barge for which the age was known from historical documents.[2][3]

I thought you said the earth is Millions, when this states up to 62k years. Now if out date is now only 2010 that means you can only prove up to 64010. Now where is proof of the earth being millions of years old?

Now I have never heard of this and never seen a scientist use it. Who knows if it works. But I know Dr.Dino could prove that this is fake!

And ad is a Biblical term. Ano Domini if i spelled that correctly. Its for after death of Jesus Christ. Thats when our date began. If you don't believe the Bible than you can't prove how old the earth is.

[expo]

I just said that :P But we agree and really? Humans killing dinosaurs?

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/68/Largestdinosaursbysuborder_scale.svg/1000px-Largestdinosaursbysuborder_scale.svg.png

Expo both sides are correct, with what we're talking about now at least, but I don't agree with that there isn't a God

I never said I agreed with him on that. In fact, I question there even being a such thing as dinosaurs. There are lots of holes in that entire debate, and I'd rather not get into it.

We can't prove there is or isn't a God. It is as simple as that.

[TheMagic]

Um no just no:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_of_the_Earth

I can honestly say I believe 100% of what Wikipedia says, and it calls Evolution a theory on Wikipedia not a fact, I'm unsure of my views on evolution

@expo Personally I believe in dinosaurs, and true we can't prove that God is real, that's why it's called a religion

[Syke]

Radiocarbon dating
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Radiocarbon dating, or carbon dating, is a radiometric dating method that uses the naturally occurring radioisotope carbon-14 (14C) to determine the age of carbonaceous materials up to about 58,000 to 62,000 years.[1] Raw, i.e. uncalibrated, radiocarbon ages are usually reported in radiocarbon years "Before Present" (BP), "Present" being defined as AD 1950. Such raw ages can be calibrated to give calendar dates.
One of the most frequent uses of radiocarbon dating is to estimate the age of organic remains from archaeological sites. When plants fix atmospheric carbon dioxide (CO2) into organic material during photosynthesis they incorporate a quantity of 14C that approximately matches the level of this isotope in the atmosphere (a small difference occurs because of isotope fractionation, but this is corrected after laboratory analysis). After plants die or they are consumed by other organisms (for example, by humans or other animals) the 14C fraction of this organic material declines at a fixed exponential rate due to the radioactive decay of 14C. Comparing the remaining 14C fraction of a sample to that expected from atmospheric 14C allows the age of the sample to be estimated.
The technique of radiocarbon dating was developed by Willard Libby and his colleagues at the University of Chicago in 1949. Emilio Segrè asserted in his autobiography that Enrico Fermi suggested the concept to Libby in a seminar at Chicago that year. Libby estimated that the steady state radioactivity concentration of exchangeable carbon-14 would be about 14 disintegrations per minute (dpm) per gram. In 1960, he was awarded the Nobel Prize in chemistry for this work. He first demonstrated the accuracy of radiocarbon dating by accurately estimating the age of wood from an ancient Egyptian royal barge for which the age was known from historical documents.[2][3]

I thought you said the earth is Millions, when this states up to 62k years. Now if out date is now only 2010 that means you can only prove up to 64010. Now where is proof of the earth being millions of years old?

Now I have never heard of this and never seen a scientist use it. Who knows if it works. But I know Dr.Dino could prove that this is fake!

I'm seriously getting disgusted with moronic you are and how much you contradict yourself.

Even if carbon dating can only go back about 62k years your so called 'proof' of the Earth being 6k years old just went right the fuck out the window.

And like I said, it takes millions of years for fossils, oil and coal to form.

[expo]

Evolution is just 1 way man tries to understand stuff. Doesn't mean it is correct. Look at history, it is just another stupid theory.

And like I said, it takes millions of years for fossils, oil and coal to form.

From what we understand it takes that long. We haven't been around millions of years to prove it. It is just a widely accepted theory.

http://icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com/2007/06/busted.jpg

[Syke]

Evolution is just 1 way man tries to understand stuff. Doesn't mean it is correct. Look at history, it is just another stupid theory.



From what we understand it takes that long. We haven't been around millions of years to prove it. It is just a widely accepted theory.

So by your logic everything else we haven't been alive to see proof of is also a theory, like the dinosaurs, even though there is proof of them too.

Your logic is almost as flawed as Stipt's.

And once again you fail at trolling people.

[Stipt]

I never said I believed it and I know someone can prove it wrong. And I just proved your thought of the earth being that old. And how do you know how long anything takes, when we have never seen it. You are going off beliefs and not science.

[Syke]

I never said I believed it and I know someone can prove it wrong. And I just proved your thought of the earth being that old. And how do you know how long anything takes, when we have never seen it. You are going off beliefs and not science.

No, YOU are going off beliefs. I'm going off science. You still seem to be slow and having trouble grasping this idea.

[Stipt]

You have no science to prove anything you just stated correct. I used commen sense to prove alot of it wrong. If your carbon dating is possible you can't date the earth past the year 64010. and that proves that you lied on the date of the earth. (That we know of)

[TheMagic]

The age of the Earth is around 4.54 billion years. This age has been determined by radiometric age dating of meteorite material and is consistent with the ages of the oldest-known terrestrial and lunar samples. The Sun, in comparison, is about 4.57 billion years old, about 30 million years older.

[expo]

So by your logic everything else we haven't been alive to see proof of is also a theory, like the dinosaurs, even though there is proof of them too.

Your logic is almost as flawed as Stipt's.

And once again you fail at trolling people.

Wrong again. I said it is only theory til is can be proven beyond a doubt. It is like you saying there is no God. Well, by your logic, since Jesus has been proven to be on Earth, and most of the Biblical stories have been proven accurate, God must be real.

If not, you have "shot yourself in the foot".

You say my logic is flawed. Pot. Kettle. Black.

Learn to have logical thought patterns.

[TheMagic]

I thought we killed the flaming

[expo]

No, YOU are going off beliefs. I'm going off science. You still seem to be slow and having trouble grasping this idea.

And quite a bit of science is theory. Whats your point?

[Stipt]

Radiometric dating (often called radioactive dating) is a technique used to date materials, usually based on a comparison between the observed abundance of a naturally occurring radioactive isotope and its decay products, using known decay rates.[1] It is the principal source of information about the absolute age of rocks and other geological features, including the age of the Earth itself, and can be used to date a wide range of natural and man-made materials. Together with stratigraphic principles, radiometric dating methods are used in geochronology to establish the geological time scale.[2] Among the best-known techniques are radiocarbon dating, potassium-argon dating and uranium-lead dating. By allowing the establishment of geological timescales, it provides a significant source of information about the ages of fossils and the deduced rates of evolutionary change. Radiometric dating is also used to date archaeological materials, including ancient artifacts.
Different methods of radiometric dating vary in the timescale over which they are accurate and the materials to which they can be applied.

This wouldn't work because we don't know the decay rates for alot of things. We havn't been around long enough to tell decay rate of ancient artifacts.