Should Marijuana be legalized or stay medical?

[herculis]

Okay before we start please keep in mind this is a Intellectual Thread and please if you want to flame me just make a thread about my thread to flame :) Thank You.
Well i was getting into a discussion with my brother on how The growing and using of Cannabis should be legalized here in the U.S.A while his opinions were totally different and negative towards Marijuana.. So my question is what do you guys / galls think about making Cannabis Legal here in the U.S.A or keeping it for medicinal purpose only. please leave a Example of why you choose your answer Thank You. hope to hear from you guys :)

[Protoss7]

For medical purposes, I see no problem with it AS LONG as you're not abusing it, and using to much to often.

[Tyle]

Nope, kill all Marijuana, it kills you.

though you say it helps your heart, it still kills you anyways in other different ways.
If you just leave it alone, you will stay fine.

[fullmetalalki]

the only way you are right is in that it is rumored that marijuana is 10x more likely to lead to lung cancer than cigarettes although that is debatable because no one smokes weed as much as cigarettes. For anyone that's actually tried weed, you'd know that it doesn't kill you, not like cigarettes or drinking can.

[Jenkins]

Marijuana will stay illegal until the government finds a way to control it and tax it. Which I don't see happening any time soon.

[fullmetalalki]

it's a simple example of supply and demand, if you increase the supply, demand will go down, we'll have more room in our prisons and as the american public, we'd have to pay less money in taxes.

[sve3n]

marijuana should be legalized xD
FTW xaxaxaxa

[OMG OP Priest]

I just wanted to clarify to anyone that believes Marijuana is a drug that your fucking retarded. Cocaine, Meth, Heroin are drugs due to the fact you have to make them into what they are.

[zade749]

Marijuana is going to be legalized, like fullmetal said. The problem will be that once its legalized they will do the same shit with it that they did to cigarettes.

They're gonna load that shit up with everything they can to get you addicted so you keep using the product making it more deadly than it should/ is supposed to be.

[ProphetX]

Oh no, not this thread again...

[dilios]

For medical, otherwise it will be abused

[xtavie]

For all those who like to believe that little lie created by your dealer, that Marijuana doesn't seriously effect you at all, learn to

read a book. Medical studies have proved Marijuana kills or seriously impairs brain cells, causing memory loss and poor

judgment, among many other symptoms. Also, YES Marijuana is legally considered a drug. It can be extremely psychologically

addicting, some say even more then cigarettes are physically addicting. So I say the day United States legalizes Marijuana, I'm packing up and moving my ass to the Swiss Alps.

[eatos]

I wish i live in Holand marijuana is there legalized and like all true metals i like sometimes to smoke it

[computerwiz656]

Nope, kill all Marijuana, it kills you.

though you say it helps your heart, it still kills you anyways in other different ways.
If you just leave it alone, you will stay fine.

The air that you breath also kills you. after many years though.
:D

[kingdrani]

Yes it should stay medical...
Because if it gets legalized i would think that there would be more deaths....
Of overdoses or whatever....

[eadeni]

it think it should be Legalized because when you take it, you have the ability to fly lol

[kingdrani]

Sounds nice...
Then i shal be brave and jump out from a high point....
A cliff is a good example!....

[eadeni]

:O, trust me you havent lived til you try it

[kingdrani]

Okey....
And my life ends afterwards.....

[eadeni]

Okey....
And my life ends afterwards.....

Dont say stuff like that, look at the bright side you will go to heaven or maybe you will ROT IN HELL!!!!!!

[runemaster]

I think it should be a controlled substance, more controlled then alcohol or cigarettes.

There are many good reasons to have it, very few bad, but one of the 3 bad is simply this:

Smoking it too much or abusing it leads to addiction. This is with all things, I know some of you will say POT ISNT ADDICTIVE! and you are partially right, theres no addictive chemical compounds, however anything leads to addiction if you do it long enough and keep craving it.

examples:
Masturbation/porn/sex
World of Warcraft
Anything else you can think of.


For the idiot or two above me YOU CANNOT OVERDOSE AND DIE ON POT/MARIJUANA. An overdose is when you have too much of something in your system and it winds up killing you. Unless you suffocate from too much at once, you are likely never to overdose per say on marijuana. It kills brain cells? wrong, The carbon dioxide from the burning kills brain cells, as does expelling air from your lungs. It most likely will shorten you live be nearly nothing as compared with taking deep breaths all the time.

[DoPeT]

For all those who like to believe that little lie created by your dealer, that Marijuana doesn't seriously effect you at all, learn to

read a book. Medical studies have proved Marijuana kills or seriously impairs brain cells, causing memory loss and poor

judgment, among many other symptoms. Also, YES Marijuana is legally considered a drug. It can be extremely psychologically

addicting, some say even more then cigarettes are physically addicting. So I say the day United States legalizes Marijuana, I'm packing up and moving my ass to the Swiss Alps.

You mean for those who like to believe 1960 Propaganda by our own Government? Have YOU READ ANY BOOKS OR STUDIES LATELY?!?!?! PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE link me these studies kid, I'm stuttering right now in RL cause I'm in total disbelief that you actually think that. You sound like your straight off a "Above The Influence" commercial. Also, I'm assuming you've drank Caffeine before... OMGOMGOMG YOU DID?!?! WHY DID YOU DRINK THAT DRUG, CAFFEINE KILLS 5000+ HUMANS A YEAR (true fact)! While Cannabis has killed NO ONE EVER in lifetime HISTORY, so you can already tell it kills so much brain cells and all these poor judgments no one has died, smart one. Why the fuck do you think they have medicinal uses for it if it did that, durrrr! Hmm.. "extremely psychologically addicting"... So by that term, you mean YOUR extremely psychologically addicted to things, YOU CANNOT DEFINE EVERYONES PSYCHOLOGIC ADDITCION! Hell, go down the burger shop and someone can eat fuckin' 100 hamburgers and be addicted too, YOU can be be psychologically addicted TO ANYTHING.
Please do move, I would love less idiots living here. I feel like a teacher teaching 2 year old with birth defects, don't understand how this bullshit is still feeding kids brains with it. I've might been a bit harsh, but hopefully others get the message.

Quick Summary to who are lazy..
D9 (or HYDROX-11) THC has NO chemical properties that shows it is addictive, sure it can be mentally addictive, but hell you can buy the burger shop and go there everyday being mentally addictive. I cannot believe the ignorance. Yeah yeah, maybe some carcinogenics transfer while YOU smoke the Cannabis, but hell I vaporize mine, so my lungs will be A+ fine.

..but I love the Cannabis and every aspect of it's medicinal uses, etc.
Above The Influence of Ignorance | Medical Marijuana & Hemp Facts (http://www.abovetheignorance.org)

IF YOU DISAGREE WITH ME, PLEASE POST STUDIES ON WHAT YOU DISAGREED ON CANNABIS AND I WOULD BE HAPPILY TO PROVE YOU STRAIGHT WRONG WITH MULTIPLE STUDIES OF THAT SAME TOPIC.

[Diablothein]

I do believe that Marijuana should not be legalized.

Simply because it would from then on be taxable.
Second, I seriously hate smokers, I'm forced to sit next to this girl in class who smokes every day before she comes in, I have to put up with it because the teacher is a strict believer of permanent seating arrangements. I find it rather repulsive that people smoke.

This semester ends on the eighteenth, and I will finally be rid of that class, and hopefully my next semester teachers don't put me next to a smoker.

[runemaster]

Something that affects an entire nation shouldn't be influenced by your petty ass every day shit. the 300 thousand fucking people in the u.s. dont give a shit about your personal problems. Ergo, Your opinion about legalizing ANYTHINGSHOULD BE MOOT.

[Diablothein]

Hey, kid, gtfo with that type of language...

[expo]

I like where this is going. A great lack of solid evidence from either side. Stupidity is far more addictive and common in this thread than cannabis and the brain-dead users of it.

[Diablothein]

expo, it's all a matter of preference, and here's mine, with my evidence.

I hate smoking, so I say that marijuana should stay illegal.

My evidence: Because I AM ME, I can choose to say and think whatever I want.

[DoPeT]

I like where this is going. A great lack of solid evidence from either side. Stupidity is far more addictive and common in this thread than cannabis and the brain-dead users of it.

Serious man, tell me what rumors A.T.I. has fed you with it's lies, I'LL BE HAPPY TO PROVE YOU STUDIES SHOWING ABOUT CANNABIS BEING SAFER THAN YOU COCA COLA DRINK.

Your right mate, stupidity is far more addictive as I'm seeing it right now, hence the 'brain-dead users' quote. Hahaha, our presidents are quite brain dead to be an president right?!

expo, it's all a matter of preference, and here's mine, with my evidence.

I hate smoking, so I say that marijuana should stay illegal.

My evidence: Because I AM ME, I can choose to say and think whatever I want.

So if you hate smoking generalized.. What about users Vaporizing or using Edibles for their consumption of Cannabis?
I have yet to see your 'evidence'.

[expo]

Serious man, tell me what rumors A.T.I. has fed you with it's lies, I'LL BE HAPPY TO PROVE YOU STUDIES SHOWING ABOUT CANNABIS BEING SAFER THAN YOU COCA COLA DRINK.

Your right mate, stupidity is far more addictive as I'm seeing it right now, hence the 'brain-dead users' quote. Hahaha, our presidents are quite brain dead to be an president right?!

Do you read posts or do you prefer to post gibberish bullshit that kids can easily point out?

Also, president doesn't start with vowel, so it is a not an.

I'd love for you to prove that coca cola alters the mind in a more negative way than cannabis. I don't want .com sites, blogs, etc bullshit you like to use. Give solid studies from actually scientists and medical professionals that know what they are doing. Dr. Joe Blow the veterinarian from a town with a population of 100 doesn't count.

I look forward to the laughter of bogus evidence. Do go on.

[DoPeT]

Alright we will create an theory with backing evidence of studies comparing Caffeine of mg that is consumed in modern day sodas.
Let's all take in mention that Caffeine kills over 5000+ people A YEAR (World Almanacs, Life Insurance Actuarial (death) Rates, and the last 20 years of U.S. Surgeon Generals' reports.).

Caffiene:
Positive Effects:

Parkinson's disease (take in mind THIS IS FOR COFFEE)

Parkinson's is caused by the loss of brain cells that produce a chemical messenger called dopamine. According to a researcher from the Harvard School of Public Health in Boston, people who drink coffee or consume caffeine regularly have a lower risk of developing Parkinson's disease. The research put forth that the mice that had first been given caffeine equivalent to moderate amounts of coffee in humans lost fewer neurons than those not given caffeine.

Negative Effects:

Osteoporosis

There is a significant association between drinking caffeinated coffee and decreasing bone mineral density at both the hip and the spine that comes with aging and leads to osteoporosis, a major cause of fractures in the elderly. There occurs a loss of up to 5 milligrams of calcium for every six ounces of regular coffee or two cans of cola. As little as 300 to 400 mg of caffeine a day doubles the risk of hip fracture.

Diabetes

Daily consumption of caffeine in coffee, tea or soft drinks increases blood sugar levels for people with type 2 diabetes and may undermine efforts to control their disease. Researchers at Duke University Medical Center found that consumption of caffeine raised the average daily sugar levels by 8 per cent. Caffeine also exaggerated the rise in glucose after meals: increasing by 9 percent after breakfast, 15 percent after lunch and 26 per cent after dinner. This study suggested that one way to lower blood sugar is to simply quit drinking coffee, or any other caffeinated beverages.

A study published in the journal Diabetes Care indicated that diabetics who consume roughly four cups of caffeine may experience a significant increase in blood sugar. Previous studies have shown that caffeine could increase the body's insulin resistance, leading to an increase in blood sugar levels.

Loss of sleep

Caffeine taken during the day may prevent from falling asleep at night, shortening the normal length of time of sleep. Caffeine is said to block the effects of adenosine, a neurotransmitter thought to promote sleep. Caffeine also increases the number of times you wake up during the night by increasing the need to urinate and interfering with deep sleep. This leads to poor quality of sleep and fatigue during the day, which in turn triggers you to take more caffeinated drinks in a negative feedback cycle. The same caffeinated beverage that helps people mask their sleepiness also makes them irritable, stressful, fatigue, hostile, and less productive.

Fertility and miscarriage

Earlier studies found that it takes at least 300 milligrams of caffeine in a day to affect fertility. Low to moderate caffeine consumption doesn't seem to reduce a woman's chance of becoming pregnant.

Various other studies have shown that women who drink one to one and a half cups of coffee each day had up to a 50% reduction in fertility. Three cups a day has been linked to early miscarriage (new evidence shows 200 milligrams as the limit). Though there are some women who conceive while drinking multiple cups of coffee a day and drink it during their entire pregnancy yet one should remember that each of our bodies are so very different and what effects one women will have no effect on the other

Reviewed by Michael W. Smith, MD (http://www.webmd.com/michael-w-smith)

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..now lets move on cannabis shall we?

Let's consider the fact not one time ever in the whole man-kind history,
ever since the world has started with the Cannabis plant,
NO ONE.. I mean NO ONE has ever EVER died from this plant or have even gotten CLOSE to it.

Positive Effects:

ADD & ADHD

• Marijuana and ADD Therapeutic uses of Medical Marijuana in the treatment of ADD (http://www.onlinepot.org/medical/add&mmj.htm)
• Cannabis as a medical treatment for attention deficit disorder (http://www.chanvre-info.ch/info/en/Cannabis-as-a-medical-treatment.html)
• Cannabinoids effective in animal model of hyperactivity disorder (http://www.cannabis-med.org/english/bulletin/ww_en_db_cannabis_artikel.php?id=162#4)
• Cannabis 'Scrips to Calm Kids? (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,117541,00.html)


Alzheimers

• Marijuana may block Alzheimer's (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/4286435.stm)
• Prevention of Alzheimer's Disease Pathology by Cannabinoids (http://www.jneurosci.org/cgi/content/abstract/25/8/1904)
• Marijuana's Active Ingredient Shown to Inhibit Primary Marker of Alzheimer's Disease (http://www.pacifier.com/%7Ealive/articles/ca060809.htm)

Appetite Stimulant

• THC improves appetite and reverses weight loss in AIDS patients (http://www.cannabis-med.org/studies/ww_en_db_study_show.php?s_id=189)
• The synthetic cannabinoid nabilone improves pain and symptom management in cancer patients
• Delta-9-tetrahydrocannabinol for appetite stimulation in cancer-associated anorexia
• Effects of smoked marijuana on food intake and body weight
• Behavioral analysis of marijuana effects on food intake in humans
• THC effective in appetite and weight loss in severe lung disease
• Machinery Of The 'Marijuana Munchies'

Arthritis

• Cannabidiol is an oral anti-arthritic therapeutic in murine collagen-induced arthritis (http://www.pnas.org/cgi/content/full/97/17/9561)
• The Cannabinergic System as a Target for Anti-inflammatory Therapies
• The antinociceptive effect of Delta9-tetrahydrocannabinol in the arthritic rat
• Synergy between Delta(9)-tetrahydrocannabinol and morphine in the arthritic rat
• Cannabis based medicine eases pain and suppresses disease
• Pot-Based Drug Promising for Arthritis

I am just start posting only one fact of studies such I have such a long list to go, IF YOU REALLY WANT IT ILL EDIT IT.

Asthma

• The Cannabinergic System as a Target for Anti-inflammatory Therapies (http://www.ingentaconnect.com/content/ben/ctmc/2006/00000006/00000013/art00008)

Atherosclerosis

• Marijuana Chemical Fights Hardened Arteries (http://www.webmd.com/heart-disease/news/20050406/marijuana-chemical-fights-hardened-arteries)

Chemotherapy

• THC as an antiemetic in patients treated with cancer chemotherapy (http://www.cannabis-med.org/studies/ww_en_db_study_show.php?s_id=5)


Diabetes


• Cannabinoid Reduces Incidence Of Diabetes (http://www.norml.org/index.cfm?Group_ID=6909)

Depression


• Cannabinoids promote hippocampus neurogenesis and produce anxiolytic and antidepressant (http://www.jci.org/cgi/content/full/115/11/3104)


Epilepsy

• Epilepsy patients are smoking cannabis (http://www.safeaccessnow.org/article.php?id=1638)


Fibromyalgia

• Delta-9-THC based monotherapy in fibromyalgia patients (http://www.medscape.com/medline/abstract/16834825)

Glaucoma

• Marijuana Smoking vs Cannabinoids for Glaucoma Therapy (http://archopht.ama-assn.org/cgi/content/abstract/116/11/1433)

Heart Disease and Cardiovascular


• Marijuana Chemical Fights Hardened Arteries (http://abovetheignorance.org/%95%20)

Hepatitis

• Moderate Cannabis Use Associated with Improved Treatment Response (http://www.hivandhepatitis.com/hep_c/news/2006/091506_a.html)

Herpes


• Cannabis May Help Combat Cancer-causing Herpes Viruses (http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2004/09/040923092627.htm)

HIV & AIDS

• Marijuana and AIDS: A Four-Year Study (http://ccrmg.org/journal/05spr/aids.html)

Multiple Sclerosis

• Marijuana derivatives may provide MS treatment (http://www.healthypages.net/news.asp?newsid=5381)

Neuropathic pain

• Cannabinoids Among Most Promising Approaches to Treating Neuropathic Pain (http://www.redorbit.com/news/health/545812/in_medpanel_summit_leading_pain_experts_name_canna binoids_among_most/index.html?source=r_health)

Parkinson’s Disease

• Marijuana Compounds May Aid Parkinson's Disease (http://cannabisnews.com/news/19/thread19725.shtml)

Post Traumatic Stress Disorder

• Marijuana Eases Traumatic Memories (http://cannabisnews.com/news/13/thread13601.shtml)

God, those are only one dot of each of each site and study, I CAN go longer but my fingers are quite sore.

Sources for these such answers for Cannabis (here you go..)

Sources (http://prophetdeveloping.info/proof.html) (click here cause it was over 20,000 characters of sources so, I cant post much anymore..)

Negative Effects:
(these are opinionated effects too..)

- Some may not like paranoia it may recieve to some users of cannabis, however some believe the fact it may help improve more focus on operating some machines or even driving as tests has been done by Speed.tv

- The smoke entering of the lungs however isn't pleasant feeling, but some say the carcinogenics enter your lungs and damage it, however these are radioactive such as tobacco where most enter and leave but don't nearly damage at all (Doug Benson as featured on 'Super High Me' as almost 40 years old he as done respiratory tests from a MD and lung capacity is fine and everything has been untouched and undamaged.)

^^^^^
You can always vaporize or eat edibles.



So there you have it, you do the math kid.. Trust me you won't win this, we so brain-dead you can def. see this huh?

[DoPeT]

Well of course and it's ironic too with all those studies of Cannabis I just showed you too. Why are we spending billions of tax payers money spending POT HEADS to prison when they aren't doing much compared to the ones that are raping and killing. When alcohol was illegal IT WAS EXACTLY LIKE CANNABIS NOW, first they put out worse facts that weren't true (well as alcoholism is horrible as it kills 120,000+ a year and has some serious facts, but these were way exaggerated.). Alcohol Prohibition did not work, since it's legal but still deadly but available, noticed how Al Capone, all types of gangs were eliminated and it was harder for kids to reach. Now how is the Drug War working right now.. SHIT, it doesn't work. :)

[slashaz]

Marijuana being illegal is just like any other drug, look at Ritalin and cocaine the only difference is Ritalin dose not have dopamine which makes cocaine more addictive and dangerous. Even if Ritalin is taken just as cocaine is (snorted, intravenously), it is JUST as addictive. People need to read research for themselves and not listen to Rush Limbaugh who gets paid to say what he does. The government is not on your side trust me, if you have billions of dollars then they would be you are nothing to them just experiments and dummies to make the rich richer.

Most drugs are illegal to make drug company's filthy rich since any tom, dick and harry can grow drugs and be just as effective as any prescription drug. While taken in the correct dosage.

[Pubicbear]

The first and most basic reason that marijuana should be legal is that there is no good reason for it not to be legal. Some people ask 'why should marijuana be legalized?" but we should ask "Why should marijuana be illegal?" From a philosophical point of view, individuals deserve the right to make choices for themselves. The government only has a right to limit those choices if the individual's actions endanger someone else. This does not apply to marijuana, since the individual who chooses to use marijuana does so according to his or her own free will. The government also may have a right to limit individual actions if the actions pose a significant threat to the individual. But this argument does not logically apply to marijuana because marijuana is far less dangerous than some drugs which are legal, such as alcohol and tobacco.

How many deaths attributed to the use of Marijuana? (anyone who says otherwise is ill-informed)
0

How many deaths attributed to Alcohol/Tobacco?
Impossible to calculate.

[DoPeT]

Nice, I believe so too Pubicbear, oh the calculations as stated above for a toll death average of yearly is...

Alcohol: 120,000+ deaths a year.
Tobacco: 510,000+ deaths a year, take notice MORE THAN HALF A MILLION PEOPLE!
Cannabis: 0 deaths in eternity

[left]

Nice, I believe so too Pubicbear, oh the calculations as stated above for a toll death average of yearly is...

Alcohol: 120,000+ deaths a year.
Tobacco: 510,000+ deaths a year, take notice MORE THAN HALF A MILLION PEOPLE!
Cannabis: 0 deaths in eternity

I knew a guy that died whilst under the influence of marijuana, but didnt die directly from the drug/plant/substance. whatever you wanna call it.
He was high and ended up in the reeds of a lake and drowned. was found 2 days later by police.
Was also under the influence of alcohol.
This was in Australia though, not the US.

[DoPeT]

So, he was under the influence of Cannabis and Alcohol but died by choice of stupidity of drowning in a lake, so the cannabis did not affect him dying at all, normal people die all the time drowning, except this guy you can probably tell he was wasted when he was swimming which isn't good. Plus you don't know for sure if he was high, cause when they do the tests, Cannabis can stay in your system for a month, so he could of done it either other day.

[pingue]

I just wanted to clarify to anyone that believes Marijuana is a drug that your fucking retarded. Cocaine, Meth, Heroin are drugs due to the fact you have to make them into what they are.
Woah, I so agree with what you said there. Go shrooms n Mary<3!

Yes it should stay medical...
Because if it gets legalized i would think that there would be more deaths....
Of overdoses or whatever....
Overdoses, I believe you'd have to smoke more than 1kg to overdose, and TRYING to smoke more than 20gr would just make you fall asleep lol. So no, it's not possible to overdose.

I used to be an drug addict, also addicted to Marijuana as some people say it's not possible to be addicted to it, wrong! It's not physical but mentally addicted to it (I think).

I don't really know what to say, should it be legal or not - actually I don't care, I know myself I wouldn't start smoking it again cause Weed = MyLuuv, but smoking it to much stops me from doing other stuff I NEED to do, I don't NEED to smoke weed but somehow Weed gets in top priority of all other things when it's one of the things you love really much.

Never would I say Weed is a drug, I believe that it leads to harder drugs and it calls for stronger high effects(Bad english I know lol) I've discovered this myself.. I was an drug addict/abuser and I've seen alot of friends go through the same shit with me, I'll never say it was boring though, can't lie about it all :P

I hope anyone has answer to this;
Why do people think Alcohol is better than Weed?

Alcohol made me start smoking, smoking & drinking(Alcohol) made me want to try Weed.
-Pingue

I knew a guy that died whilst under the influence of marijuana, but didnt die directly from the drug/plant/substance. whatever you wanna call it.
He was high and ended up in the reeds of a lake and drowned. was found 2 days later by police.
Was also under the influence of alcohol.
This was in Australia though, not the US.
Well I think we're talking about "overdosing" from something here, well tobacco gives you cancer and stuff, alcohol not really sure how it kills you.

But you can't say it's the weeds fault that someone dies if he's HIGH on weed and a piano falls from the sky and crashes his head and SPLAT dead.
^^

[expo]

I absolutely love the circumstantial evidence. Take in mind that 2 different doctors can find 2 different problems for the same symptoms with a patient. I want to see more circumstantial evidence. Post it.

[DoPeT]

By Circumstantial evidence, that's the close your going to get for Coca Cola vs Cannabis, clearly you can easily see that Cannabis is much safer and even more beneficial and heather than Coca Cola. Please tell me you can't see it all being more beneficial, look I know were debating on this, but I'm willing to take your facts if your willing to take mine, you cant agree cannabis seems a bit reasonable to be legalized if alcohol is legal, yet has caused so many problems (such as why do we have DUI's cause of so many deaths, not including the 120,000 deaths a year by its self). But if you want to really still continue, please post some sources and studies providing your opinion, see ya.

[expo]

By Circumstantial evidence, that's the close your going to get for Coca Cola vs Cannabis, clearly you can easily see that Cannabis is much safer and even more beneficial and heather than Coca Cola. Please tell me you can't see it all being more beneficial, look I know were debating on this, but I'm willing to take your facts if your willing to take mine, you cant agree cannabis seems a bit reasonable to be legalized if alcohol is legal, yet has caused so many problems (such as why do we have DUI's cause of so many deaths, not including the 120,000 deaths a year by its self). But if you want to really still continue, please post some sources and studies providing your opinion, see ya.

Do you have any more outlandish theories to post about? Maybe 9/11 being a government conspiracy. Michael Jackson is still alive. Obama is the Anti-Christ. Please, do tell along with the rest of your nerdrading thread.

I agree with dfighter, why do they allow children and imbeciles to use the internet.

[artaxarta]

So many walls of text, im getting too lazy for the intellectual discussion.
lol.

[slashaz]

Do you have any more outlandish theories to post about? Maybe 9/11 being a government conspiracy. Michael Jackson is still alive. Obama is the Anti-Christ. Please, do tell along with the rest of your nerdrading thread.

I agree with dfighter, why do they allow children and imbeciles to use the internet.

I know a lot of people who do not like to be proven wrong, but man you take the cake on that one.

The facts are the facts, you can't argue with that.

[Diablothein]

Dopet, first of all, fuck off. It's still narcotics no matter how you consume it.

So, do us all a favor, if you're gonna be a troll, go back to 4chan.

[DoPeT]

Me being a TROLL?! What the fuck you talking about? What do you mean, I never said IT WASNT A NARCOTIC now matter how much you consume it, do me a favor.. If you're going to make no sense get out of the intellectual discussion and go to your hick town and go fuck your cousin or something if your not willing to actually use intellect and post SOURCES AND STUDIES regarding my opinion. I'd see expo more of a troll than me, did you not just see my sources and advantages of Cannabis that's almost a page long, I am proving facts and studies while expo hasn't done much except turn the discussion and hide from the facts cause he knows he is wrong.

So, what do you mean by "It's still narcotics no matter how you consume it.", are you retarded? Of course it is, so is Caffeine, aspirin, etc.

[slashaz]

Dopet, first of all, fuck off. It's still narcotics no matter how you consume it.

So, do us all a favor, if you're gonna be a troll, go back to 4chan.

Calling marijuana a narcotic and assuming it should be illegal isn't a very persuading argument. Doctors prescribe narcotics all the time, hell I had a prescription to some Vicodin when I surgery. Why isn't that illegal?

Going as low as telling someone to "fuck off" just shows you have no place in this argument nor in the "Intellectual Discussion" thread.

[expo]

So many walls of text, im getting too lazy for the intellectual discussion.
lol.

You are asking for intellectual discussion in here when mos can't be achieved on the internet. I'd say that Vinze is really the only informed person here besides me and HelpForMoney.

[Vinze]

Okay before we start please keep in mind this is a Intellectual Thread

Fuck you...

And secondly:
Yes, it should. Marjuana is more harmless than alcohol and caffine even, it's none of the government's business what others do. Personally I'd never go near it, but I wouldn't let my own dislikes affect the well being of the people in case I ever got elected for office.

I'd say that Vinze is really the only informed person here besides me and HelpForMoney.

And... Whoa... Gee, the following thing will feel worse than passing a kidneystone, but:
Thanks.

POT will.......dam potheads

Nahh, the pot won't define intelligence. Just look at you, you've never gone near it and still your brain is in worse condition than a hooker trapped in a pirateship...

How many deaths attributed to the use of Marijuana?[/B] (anyone who says otherwise is ill-informed)
0


Actually, smoking marjuana and driving is really dangerous, and should be seen just as harmfull as alcohol in that perspective.

And maybe not many people die directly BY it, but I'm sure alot of those Columbian slaveworkers who occassionally starve to death or just put their wingtips in the air due to dehydration in the sunlight are killed because of it. Then there are the gangs trying to controll it, and of course the policemen who tries to stop the gangs. Only pointing out the harmless "use" is really manipulative. Just like everything else, marjuana has good sides and bad sides.



And on a little tiny note on why it got outlawed:

During the earlier years of the century, the timber industry was threatened by the usage of hemp, therefore they ran a smear campaign in order to outlaw marjuana. The government did not give a rat's ass about the people, they just wanted to sell more wood. I guess leagalizing marjuana will bring back usage of hemp, wich might just be a good thing for the forests and enviroment... In a few centuries...

...Yeah, the "shortage of forests" is also a scam...

Also: Yes, I have alot of quotes in my reply, deal with it.

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[Unlimited]

Stop quoting spamers!!

[Anonymous1969]

i think it should be legal . my brother is doing 15 years in the pen . for getting stoped in a comminwelth state. with a sac on him. its pretty sad when the goverment will let doctors get people hooked on pharmacuticals. wich are legal in every state, and at the same time give a long haird hippy a year in jail for huffen on a dubby! the people on pills steal lie kill , and destroy every aspect of there lives, and every ones around them , the pot heads set around huffen reefer, playing vidio games, laughen with there friends. there not killing people to get there fix. iv been a pot smoker for 30 years an ive never seen anybody do anything wrong to get a sac of gunja! a friend with weed is a friend indeed!

[mrx3666]

In a way I think it should be just to be taxed the hell out of it, in a more major way I can give a rats ass if it does get legalize due to i will never do it neither will my gf, while I can't say the same for my father sadly.

[Anonymous1969]

For all those who like to believe that little lie created by your dealer, that Marijuana doesn't seriously effect you at all, learn to

read a book. Medical studies have proved Marijuana kills or seriously impairs brain cells, causing memory loss and poor

judgment, among many other symptoms. Also, YES Marijuana is legally considered a drug. It can be extremely psychologically

addicting, some say even more then cigarettes are physically addicting. So I say the day United States legalizes Marijuana, I'm packing up and moving my ass to the Swiss Alps.

to the guy who wrote this! suk my dik you selfritious faggot, take your ass out of our country. you would be doing us all a favor! by the way your avitar is gay!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! dik!

[mikeylol]

no.

[Naellem]

Ya'll know Obama be smoking that shit xD. We should legalize that shit.

[zade749]

yup, Its gonna happen. Its less of a health risk than cigarettes as is. Itll happen soon

[geddy]

For all those who like to believe that little lie created by your dealer, that Marijuana doesn't seriously effect you at all, learn to

read a book. Medical studies have proved Marijuana kills or seriously impairs brain cells, causing memory loss and poor

judgment, among many other symptoms. Also, YES Marijuana is legally considered a drug. It can be extremely psychologically

addicting, some say even more then cigarettes are physically addicting. So I say the day United States legalizes Marijuana, I'm packing up and moving my ass to the Swiss Alps.

kills brain cells----wrong.only stimulates them(no proof in killing)
memory loss ------short term only(Ill beat your ass in trival pursuit while stoned...lol
addicting-----wrong.(only psychologically not physicaly)

Alchohol kills 100x more than weed.and its legal.Did you ever see someone drive their car though a house while stoned or come home and beat their wife..........thought not.

I read this all this in a book too..........;)

[Unlimited]

Marajana is healthy overall than cigerattes. Stop bitching about health reasons.

[DoPeT]

Marajana is healthy overall than cigerattes. Stop bitching about health reasons.

Thank you! I even did a theory supporting over 120 sources, Cannabis vs the average amount of caffeine in a Coca-Cola can, guess which one won, yep Cannabis. :p :p :p :p :p :p

[Unlimited]

Thank you! I even did a theory supporting over 120 sources, Cannabis vs the average amount of caffeine in a Coca-Cola can, guess which one won, yep Cannabis. :p :p :p :p :p :p

But they will never understand.

Being weed is healthier, infact more than most alchoholes, and the effect it makes in comparison to such things as spirits, there is no logical reason it should be illegalised. However, at a time like this, if it were to become legal again - many people would be on it, and that would cause what I call a Social Meltdown. The only other way I can see is legalising it but marketing it privately making the population using the product signifantly less.

[expo]

Thank you! I even did a theory supporting over 120 sources, Cannabis vs the average amount of caffeine in a Coca-Cola can, guess which one won, yep Cannabis. :p :p :p :p :p :p

Unfortunately the brain activity change with rational behavior tips the scale of Cannabis being bad.

Try to at least provide proper evidence.

[DoPeT]

Give me your sources that's saying it, clearly you didn't read my sources and where most of them are from.

[Anonymous1969]

Unfortunately the brain activity change with rational behavior tips the scale of Cannabis being bad.

Try to at least provide proper evidence.

i am proper evidance ive toked on the erb for 30 years im still as sharp as ever im an IT graduate ,i develope 3d software apps for some pretty reputable gaming companys, some of the games people play every day.:D

a friend with weed is a friend indeed;)

But they will never understand.

Being weed is healthier, infact more than most alchoholes, and the effect it makes in comparison to such things as spirits, there is no logical reason it should be illegalised. However, at a time like this, if it were to become legal again - many people would be on it, and that would cause what I call a Social Meltdown. The only other way I can see is legalising it but marketing it privately making the population using the product signifantly less.


i totally agree with this, its true, let me inlighten averyone to why it still illeagle, the dea and state police and the govermemt, make more revenu, from it being illegal.hensforth, reposesed homes, cars money, houshold belongings, bank accounts, bisnesses, business bank accounts,busniss assets ,all these things and more are the reason its illeagle,the thought is that the state and gov can make more money keeping it illeagle, BUT THE FACTS ARE, if the gov. would legalize the gunja and tax it acordingly, our healthcare defficet would be deminished withen 5 years. our 2 trillion doller deficate would deminished within 10 years. my big question is why are we the only ones who see this! hmm! mabe were not! chances are the hole gov system knowes but refuses to do anything about it. by the way iv been an avid reader of hightimes for over 20 years. the sheeple of this great country need to be more informed. :cool:

[expo]

Give me your sources that's saying it, clearly you didn't read my sources and where most of them are from.

HOW DOES MARIJUANA AFFECT THE BRAIN? | Serendip's Exchange (http://serendip.brynmawr.edu/exchange/node/1808)

Please dispute this evidence and prove to me with your sources that marijuana doesn't cause problems with your brain because I have yet to see one article saying it doesn't. All you have done so far is say it isn't as addictive as Coca Cola and doesn't cause cancer. Both of which I didn't ask for evidence about. I am awaiting for your solid proof or your silence.

[DoPeT]

alright man sure thing, ill post them, out of all sources you pick that, its ironic that most (if not all) disagree with many things, I find it hilarious that you think the chemical THC is so bad, I'm on my droid, but when I'm back, I got a perfect source straight from one of the most contributed professor at Harvard medical. :)

[expo]

alright man sure thing, ill post them, out of all sources you pick that, its ironic that most (if not all) disagree with many things, I find it hilarious that you think the chemical THC is so bad, I'm on my droid, but when I'm back, I got a perfect source straight from one of the most contributed professor at Harvard medical. :)

I'm still waiting. All you said is it doesn't cause cancer. I asked for brain activity. You yet to provide evidence, just leading off topic to derail.

[DoPeT]

Shit sorry mate, I totally forgot about you! :)
Well basically, what yours was explaining technically was true in some points, but there leaving details out, as in example, they said it can affect the certain moods in the CNS, etc. of course this is true, so if you were to think of it, you'd think negative usually, since they never stated, such as if it were killing brain cells...

However when they were saying the brain activity of THC affecting the brain does infact kill brain cells, this is where it's all wrong, this has been proved almost 12 years ago.

THC actually produces new cell growth in the brain and stimulates old cells, almost like it's repairing them, considering this is how THC acts when killing cancer cells (of course, you should know THC can kill cancer cells and totally diagnose it).

Journal of Clinical Investigation -- Cannabinoids promote embryonic and adult hippocampus neurogenesis and produce anxiolytic- and antidepressant-like effects (http://www.jci.org/articles/view/25509)

Expo, may I ask you an favor?
I think this might refresh a bit of history of Cannabis on what it is, it's not long at all, just watch the first 4 minutes, please. I will very much appreciate doings so man.

This documentary is not for something just for 'stoners' to enjoy, my family actually very much enjoyed it and interested.

The Union (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-9077214414651731007#)

[expo]

Here is your problem. That vid clumps hemp and marijuana together. They are different.

I will pose a question to you. Why is it that anyone at age 18 living in the United States of America is able to be forced into a draft which could lead to death, but almost every state won't allow anyone under the age of 21 drink alcohol by themselves?

Hopefully you will start to understand what I am talking about.

[hard_boy_359]

I think marijuana is like morphine
was legal, the overuse, illegal, and medical use, I think marijuana will eventually legal for medical use
I think we should be free to take drugs, just like we smoke (I don't), or drink alcohol (I don't) or even drink caffeine, I think is you wanna get hight, then get hight, it time to society to be more mature and think in middle-long term and think before acting

just like global warming people only began to do something about it when it was changing the way we live and what we can do

people will have to die, massive amounts of teens will have to use drugs if the drugs become legal, but then we'll have a much more mature society

[Toxic Striker]

Drugs are bad mmmkay?

[dfighter]

I think it shouldn't be up to you teenagers (most of you in this topic are) whether cannabis is legal or illegal.
I used cannabis quite some times when I was a teenager and one thing is for sure, it's kind of pointless. I realized that you can have fun just as well without cannabis and you don't have to worry about the side effects (excessive hunger, excessive thirst, inability to count, thinking you are slowly walking while in fact you are almost running, etc, pupil dilation, sleepiness, premature ejaculation due to overexcitement, etc )
On the other hand if you use it to hide your problems, then you should just wake up, stand up, be a man and face and solve them. :)

[zeikkukun]

It changes ones mindset therefore it should be monitored, but like DoPeT stated the positive outwieghs the negative.
So, keep it in hospitals. And if it were to be legal and say, sold at a shop, there should be a age limit on it.
I think the age limit should be 25, since the is about the age the human body stops developing.
25 should also be the age for alchohol and tabacco as well, because by that time, one will be much more aware of what they want to do with ones life.

[mattias9410]

leeeegalize it!

[Juggalo90]

Yes it should....For people who have chronic pains...This is the only thing that will actually help them without hurting them. And for example, like my dad having fibromyalgia, and not wanting to be addicted to pain killers, weed is the only thing that CAN help him.

It also can help Asthma, ADD, ADHD, and other shit...


And DoPeT, did you know when george washington smoked?

[Remusrowle]

I dont see any problems with it. Its used for alot of chronic pains, like the ones listed in the post above. You cannot die
of weed, unless you smoke over like 2pounds of it.

[kajdzas]

omg, I love these guys saying "Marijuana Will kill you" "Marijuana is bad" etc, I had problems with lungs, but when I first time smoked Marijuana everything was OK, I'm smoking Marijuana for about 3 years and I will never stop, I think that Alcohol is far worse than Marijuana, If you are HIGH you know what are you doing, but when you are drunk you are doing lot of stupid things which you will later pity... That's all from me

edit: It will stay medical cuz everyone says "its bad!" and noone will try it...

[Juggalo90]

I dont see any problems with it. Its used for alot of chronic pains, like the ones listed in the post above. You cannot die
of weed, unless you smoke over like 2pounds of it.

The only way of overdosing on weed is to smoke 8 pounds in 10 minutes.

[expo]

Both sides are equally retarded. End. Of. Story.

[zeikkukun]

In a way I think it should be just to be taxed the hell out of it, in a more major way I can give a rats ass if it does get legalize due to i will never do it neither will my gf, while I can't say the same for my father sadly.

Still talking about your ugly, pale, fatass girlfriend I see....

[zordy12]

Its all good saying that we should legalize it ... you might use it correctly but what about all the other druggies and crack heads in america..??
Are they going to use it correctly..??
I dont think so .. its no use even fighting this..You wont win.

The only way of overdosing on weed is to smoke 8 pounds in 10 minutes.

And you would know howw..??:P

[Juggalo90]

And you would know howw..??:P

I know my drugs bro...
I've experienced many, and I always look up very detailed information about them before I try them.

I have a very big knowledge on drugs.

[zordy12]

Well... thats fair enough as long as you use them properly.

[DoPeT]

Its all good saying that we should legalize it ... you might use it correctly but what about all the other druggies and crack heads in america..??
Are they going to use it correctly..??
I dont think so .. its no use even fighting this..You wont win.



And you would know howw..??:P

What do you mean by using Cannabis correctly, how can one abuse Cannabis so much it ends their life in an devastated event. It's quite impossible.. Why would other druggies and crack heads step down from their highly addicting illicit narcotics? If they did, that'd actually be an benefit. "Cannabis was legalized and now all crack heads and other druggies are benefiting from it by now becoming un-dependent on harder drugs!"

[Mari0]

why are you guys even posting about this.. marijuana IS illegal. but MOST people can get it like getting a bag a chips at a liquor store.
I dont really care if its illegal or legal.. it wont make a difference.
And people who say "oh then you cant get caught and go to jail"
only a retard who is acting suspicious or showing it off to someone will get caught with weed.

[expo]

What do you mean by using Cannabis correctly, how can one abuse Cannabis so much it ends their life in an devastated event. It's quite impossible.. Why would other druggies and crack heads step down from their highly addicting illicit narcotics? If they did, that'd actually be an benefit. "Cannabis was legalized and now all crack heads and other druggies are benefiting from it by now becoming un-dependent on harder drugs!"

So, when are you going to provide legitimate proof, not fabrications?

[Scopiaboy12]

i have no problem with Weed because... ok have you heard of someone smoking weed then killing someone??? have you heard of someone getting stoned and dying?? no! because it only makes you chill, relaxed, and hell i am a musician, and some of the greatest musicians of all time smoked do u think that had something to do with weeed? i do. and why doesn't the Government just don't give a fuck about the plant, like make it as if it were just some other little bush/leave/vine w/e growing in the forest, and if they find people with this NOT GIVE A FLYING FUCK, and also maybe it does kill brain cells, not anymore than caffeine, cigz or alcohol does, trust me alcoholism is bad in my family and so it smoking, and i am not against the weed but i feel i have no need for it do i won't use it.

yes, amen to that.

[DoPeT]

So, when are you going to provide legitimate proof, not fabrications?

What the hell do you mean, I was stating my opinion when I replied by quoted zordy12's opinion. I've provided tons of research to colleges and study than you've ever had on Cannabis, you're too hard headed to realize the real facts of Cannabis and too ignorant to agree. :)

[vvv]

Drugs shudnt be legalized. And in russia we shall make Death Punishiment again. dont remmember who removed it in 1996 or 1995 it were?but let all Drug dealers die.

[kajdzas]

Drugs shudnt be legalized. And in russia we shall make Death Punishiment again. dont remmember who removed it in 1996 or 1995 it were?but let all Drug dealers die.

in slovakia or czech republic you can have 3g of marijuana, and 1-9 of cocain and heroin with you... state can't change your life so you can do what you want

[ProphetX]

Oh great, it's this thread again... 12-year-olds arguing about something they don't understand.

[expo]

Oh great, it's this thread again... 12-year-olds arguing about something they don't understand.

/Agreed

[Grasshopper]

Ah, I'm so glad that I'm Dutch. Even though many people disagree with our system, it does seem to work, for somehow our Marihuana-use rate is the lowest of western-Europe. However, I don't really know if complete legalization is such a good idea either. It didn't work with smoking either, eh?

[herculis]

lol i remember when i started this thread but guys this is not going to be a issue anymore since i live in California and everyone i know is going to be voting to make it legal in about 3 months. i truly think its going to pass

[Le-Froid]

The only way of overdosing on weed is to smoke 8 pounds in 10 minutes.

Actually I've heard you need to smoke over 1500 pounds in less than 15 minutes (inhaling ALL of it) to OD on weed. Although some people believe otherwise the first few times they smoke up :p

My opinion is it should be legalized, it does no harm to anyone and is a waste of taxpayers money to keep it illegal. Not to mention all the people going to jail for smoking some herb or dealing it to others..

Oh yeah and WTF with Marinol, the synthesized version of weed, being legal :| Thats just proof weed is only illegal because the gov't and pharmaceutical companies are making more $$ from it being illegal

EDIT:
lol i remember when i started this thread but guys this is not going to be a issue anymore since i live in California and everyone i know is going to be voting to make it legal in about 3 months. i truly think its going to pass

If it passes I'm so moving to Cali :)
I still have some doubts though, there's going to be a lot of fake votes in the ballot trying to keep it illegal. If the votes aren't corrupted there is no way it will stay illegal.

I can imagine it now though, walking to a 7-11 and buying a pack of joints :D