Pledge of Alligance brainwashing in schools???

[Vidallia]

I pledge allegiance to the Flag of the United States of America, and to the Republic for which it stands, one Nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.

I pleage allegiance to the flag
Dosent seem harmless at first eh?
Well students are made to Repeat that atleat if not more 180 times a year
You MUST stand with your hand over your heart and say it in most schools
I know personally in my school i dont say it.
I wont be apart of goverment brainwhashing.
But some kids arent as smart as me:(
One day the prinicple say me rufuse to say it and i was reported to the "office" aka brainwashing minds.

in our student hand bok it states "Students who refuse to say it will be sent to the office and will get a call home to there parents"

Sounds like there trying to punish you for not beliving in the brainwashing dosent it....

Schools want childern to be all the same...Some students arent even aloud to express individualality. Forced to were same clothing and such.

Well please give me feedback

[amanh]

Public schools have always been centers for government indoctrination, as in other countries.

And no one makes that big deal out of it, in my school most people don't say it. I don't.

[Joee]

go to university if you dont like school that much... your too paranoid

[Vidallia]

Kids are pressured into saying this its all a plan of the new world order Aka the illuminati YouTube - Troubling Signs: The New World Order is Here (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ZJ_4uIe5fI) watch and learn

[Bladxe]

It is really a religious thing. There is Government shit in it. I don't say it, but we aren't made to say it.

[slade1000]

Its called patriotism, thats why we say it before school or at least some schools does we have to remember what the us was built on and yes you are pledging allegiance to the flag of the united states of america, its meant to show that you will do whatever it takes to defend the us and what it stands for its not brain washing at all

[Bladxe]

If you don't want to say it don't, but I think if you don't say it, then you need to move to Iraq.

[Vidallia]

I say it is because think there trying to POUND it into their minds i would put a bet over 40% of kids exspecially really do hate this country

If you don't want to say it don't, but I think if you don't say it, then you need to move to Iraq.

i think that was the most assnine thing you could ever say our government has been controllin g everthing from behind the publics noses for to long

[slade1000]

pound what into your minds? to love your country and if you need to defend it, Possibly with your life? why would you hate america whats wrong with it its one of the best countries ever

[Vidallia]

Just watch the video my friend YouTube - Troubling Signs: The New World Order is Here (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ZJ_4uIe5fI)

[slade1000]

you do know george washington who designed washington dc was a mason i dont believe that mason is associated with the santanism and to say boeing is involved with it is kind of off boeing is run by civilans so why would they let them know about it


on the other hand there is quite allot of signs that somthing secret has gone or or is still going on, could be superstion but who knows why would it take over 200 years to happen thought thats the question


also about the death toll and the and the fake wmd seaches and all that shit he's basicly saying that 9/11 didnt really do anything we shouldnt take some kind of action to stop somthing like that from happening again.First of all i have been throught some of those searches dont tell me they are fake, also as the death toll rises in iraq its becuase one civillian death is always going to be a part of war its just going to happen no matter what what makes it worse is the radicals who blow themselves up in the middle of public places

[Joee]

lol americans are so paranoid about government conspiracy all the time, u should all move to a better country if u dont like it so much

[slade1000]

who is a better country

[mrx3666]

The pledge was actually mainly created to piss off the communist durring the cold war for the "Under god" parrt since they don't beleive in god

[slade1000]

no it wasnt

[Mikeambrose3]

Every day at my school i just stand, Don't put my hand over my heart, Don't say anything. I refuse, But i believe in god.

[mrx3666]

Lol, I stand there and don't do shit I just stand there while they say it and pretend I don't even hear it i'm mad at our Country atm

[QQrofl]

It's called respect when you do it everyday, enough said.

[slade1000]

/agreed allot of peolpe died for that flag

[Vidallia]

me to i personally hate our country when im 18 im moving to amsterdam, holland , canada, or england

[mrx3666]

I respect for the dead not our country the events that put us in debt don't get my respect soz

[slade1000]

we got in debt becuase of bad politicans not a bad country are country is still the same we just had bad peolpe running it, and we still have some bad peolpe running it.

[Vidallia]

Well let me refraise this i hate the goverment hence i dont like the contry

[slade1000]

ahh well there not really doing anything to make you feel better about it, throwing money at it is really not is going to fix it

[mrx3666]

I agree about moving to england like vidalia said but over there I already have friends so :p and Artilles got insulted by her for calling her a well lets not go there again

[Mari0]

wuttaheel in my school they dont force you to say it but atleast stand up :D and they wont call your parents because you didnt say it. haha
Switch schools

[mrx3666]

they'll just yell at me if i don't stand

[Joee]

The pledge was actually mainly created to piss off the communist durring the cold war for the "Under god" parrt since they don't beleive in god


wtf is wrong with u, american twat! how dare u say that communists dont believe in god when u probly dont even know what a communist is. all u guys care about is shit that happens in ur own country, take a look around. america is nothing compared to china and india. america is hugely in debt and all their big companies are closing down becuz the only reason they survived is from govt money.

[mrx3666]

wtf is wrong with u, american twat! how dare u say that communists dont believe in god when u probly dont even know what a communist is. all u guys care about is shit that happens in ur own country, take a look around. america is nothing compared to china and india. america is hugely in debt and all their big companies are closing down becuz the only reason they survived is from govt money.

Ummm LMFAO. 1. They didn't durring the cold war 2. All countries are pretty much in debt 3. YOU FAILED AT KNOWING YOUR HISTORICAL FACTS

[Joee]

Ummm LMFAO. 1. They didn't durring the cold war 2. All countries are pretty much in debt 3. YOU FAILED AT KNOWING YOUR HISTORICAL FACTS

1. "they" didn't? u talk about communists as if they are one group of people. communism is a type of government, fool! it has nothing to do with religion!

2. all countries? lol! new zealand, australia, india, china, japan, MANY more are doing way better than america

how can u sit there and type all this shit? i bet u dont even know what communism is, and by the sounds of it u dont know what the cold war was lol

[mrx3666]

Dude go take your no lifed ass and retardedness to someone who is actually willing to teach you something.
Then agiain your to stupid to learn so that'd be a waste of time but still I still find it funny hwo you actually think China's Economy is doing better than america.
Go to china and ask them Oh then again they'll tell you it's not.
And FYI if america goes down most other countries end up suffering as a result if you haven't noticed that yet then your a bigger failure than I expected.

[Joee]

Dude go take your no lifed ass and retardedness to someone who is actually willing to teach you something.
Then agiain your to stupid to learn so that'd be a waste of time but still I still find it funny hwo you actually think China's Economy is doing better than america.
Go to china and ask them Oh then again they'll tell you it's not.
And FYI if america goes down most other countries end up suffering as a result if you haven't noticed that yet then your a bigger failure than I expected.

u are SUCH a narrow-minded idiot. china has been out-bidding the usa on oil and other resources for YEARS, and the usa is in huge debt to china.

Economy of the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_the_United_States)

look at the box to the right, under "external" and then "Gross External Debt" - it shows that the usa owes $13.77 trillion (mostly to china).

[mrx3666]

Lmao I'm a narrow minded idiot psh that comment is coming from the dumb ass who says US didn't put Under god in the pledge to piss of the COMMUNIST and btw thats ALL the text books say.

So don't waste my time. Comeback when you learn more about historical eventds.

When that day happens we'll have a conversation that your puny lil mind can handle.

[ProphetX]

Mrx, I really don't appreciate you talking to my friend like that.

Joee is absolutely correct - communism is a type of government and has nothing to do with religion. Regardless of what your textbooks say, "under God" would not have pissed off the Russians during the cold war whatsoever. Russia has always been dominantly Christian and Jewish - both are religions that worship the same God that is mentioned in your pledge.

If you would like to continue this conversion, perhaps I should get my brain measured and see whether it's big enough for you.

[mrx3666]

Lawls ProphetX I'm sorry but last I read the history books was before january they called it communism durring the cold war due to it was a race in technology.

Or does the Berlin Wall type thing bring back any memories to you? Maybe even Joel Wash's song WE DIDN'T START THE FIRE look it up some time.

[ProphetX]

Lawls ProphetX I'm sorry but last I read the history books was before january they called it communism durring the cold war due to it was a race in technology.

Or does the Berlin Wall type thing bring back any memories to you? Maybe even Joel Wash's song WE DIDN'T START THE FIRE look it up some time.

Here's an idea, I'll go ahead and graduate from University for the third time and you can go back to your toys in the sandpit.

Next time you want to talk down to somebody far more educated than yourself, spend a bit of time ensuring that everything you say is backed up 100% from well-recognised references.

[amanh]

"Under God" is to piss off communists? HAHAHAAH

Oh well. Vidallia, don't believe everything you see on youtube. Though the NWO may happen eventually, it's not going to happen anytime soon, and definitely not in our lifetime.

[Joee]

"Under God" is to piss off communists? HAHAHAAH

Oh well. Vidallia, don't believe everything you see on youtube. Though the NWO may happen eventually, it's not going to happen anytime soon, and definitely not in our lifetime.

the new world order will probly be something similar to v for vendetta (its a movie, definitely worth seeing if u havnt already!)... something horrible will happen and 1 person/government/organisation will have the solution. every1 will bow down to them and they will create a new world order.

or it could be something way cooler like from a sci-fi movie and aliens come and rule earth. that would be pretty awesome

[Moltn]

I just have one thing to say:

Freedom of speech, you don't have to say anything you don't want to.
Use it correctly, my beauty ;)

[Speachless]

This isnt Brainwashing, its part of american growing up(for some) even i think its just common bullsh!t, but if people like it, let them do it.
If I'm "Punished" at school i have to write some things, when i dont aggree with those things i need to write i dotn write it. Simple as that. Maybe we are young but some of us have pride and arent common mindless persons.

[A Pretty Face]

Its called patriotism, thats why we say it before school or at least some schools does we have to remember what the us was built on and yes you are pledging allegiance to the flag of the united states of america, its meant to show that you will do whatever it takes to defend the us and what it stands for its not brain washing at all

Patriotism partly, and partly religious. I don't believe in god, so if I was in an American school and was asked to say it, I'd decline. I love America, but I don't believe in the standard "God" people pray to. It seems as schools are trying to force God in our minds. I would refuse to not say it, I'm going to believe in what I want and no Government nor school is going to tell me otherwise.

[mako1]

Dude go take your no lifed ass and retardedness to someone who is actually willing to teach you something.
Then agiain your to stupid to learn so that'd be a waste of time but still I still find it funny hwo you actually think China's Economy is doing better than america.
Go to china and ask them Oh then again they'll tell you it's not.
And FYI if america goes down most other countries end up suffering as a result if you haven't noticed that yet then your a bigger failure than I expected.

if you think the world revolves around america then your a retard, the only thing america has given us is - fast food/lower IQ's and iced tea

so fuck you, you need to read up on your economics and learn how the fucking world works you pathetic low life piece of shit

[A Pretty Face]

if you think the world revolves around america then your a retard, the only thing america has given us is - fast food/lower IQ's and iced tea

so fuck you, you need to read up on your economics and learn how the fucking world works you pathetic low life piece of shit

Mako, do you even know what the word "retard" means? I doubt it, your using it in a manner the word does not even address. Please, before you try to use words, look them up. Plus, it's highly offensive to some, I'm sure.

[mako1]

i know what it means, if he thinks the world revolves around america he is stupid, mentally insane, he needs to learn about where everything America has, comes from, he is an arrogant dick and needs a good slap

[ProphetX]

Mako is right, though... Mrx is one of "those" Americans that gives the USA a bad name. A study done not so long ago revealed that the average New Zealander knew 12x more about what's going on in the world than the average American. This was put down to the fact that American media focuses it's attention on what's going on in America.

Mrx, the truth is that the USA is in a huge amount of debt at the moment, while China is fast becoming one of the wealthiest nations in the world. Here's a little bit of proof: The US dollar is worth NZ$1.70 at the moment. It's usually worth around NZ$2.50

Anyway... the "under God" part of the pledge of allegiance was written to add reference to some sort of deity, although it violates both of the religion clauses in the first amendment.

[Diablothein]

I just see no damn point in it unless they are trying to create a zombie nation (Epic Pun Plox) and force everyone to become like the chinese...

That or cause a revolution, I managed to change the opinion of everyone in my morning class so we do not say it.

[skreem]

I pledge allegiance to the Flag of the United States of America, and to the Republic for which it stands, one Nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.

I pleage allegiance to the flag
Dosent seem harmless at first eh?
Well students are made to Repeat that atleat if not more 180 times a year
You MUST stand with your hand over your heart and say it in most schools
I know personally in my school i dont say it.
I wont be apart of goverment brainwhashing.
But some kids arent as smart as me:(
One day the prinicple say me rufuse to say it and i was reported to the "office" aka brainwashing minds.

in our student hand bok it states "Students who refuse to say it will be sent to the office and will get a call home to there parents"

Sounds like there trying to punish you for not beliving in the brainwashing dosent it....

Schools want childern to be all the same...Some students arent even aloud to express individualality. Forced to were same clothing and such.

Well please give me feedback

Do you even know what it means?
Here.
I'm 17, I still go to school. I say this every time we stand up to say it.

I Pledge Allegiance is like saying. I Promise to be faithful and true.
To the flag meaning to the emblem that stands for and represents.
0f the United States means to all 50 states, each of them individual, and individually represented on the flag
of America - yet formed into a UNION of one Nation.
and to the Republic - And I also pledge my loyalty to the Government that is itself a Republic, a form of government where the PEOPLE are sovereign.
for which it stands, - this government also being represented by the Flag to which I promise loyalty.
one Nation under God, - These 50 individual states are united as a single Republic under the Divine providence of God, "our most powerful resource" (according to the words of President Eisenhower)
Indivisible, - and can not be separated. (This part of the original version of the pledge was written just 50 years after the beginning of the Civil War and demonstrates the unity sought in the years after that divisive period in our history)
with Liberty - The people of this Nation being afforded the freedom to pursue "life, liberty, and happiness",
and Justice - And each person entitled to be treated justly, fairly, and according to proper law and principle,
for All. - And these principles afforded to EVERY AMERICAN, regardless of race, religion, color, creed, or any other criteria. Just as the flag represents 50 individual states that can not be divided or separated, this Nation represents millions of people who can not be separated or divided.

I really dislike kids my age who thinks this is a dumb pledge.
Seem like everything we fought for people have no respect for.

[QQrofl]

== History ==
Students reciting the pledge on [Flag Day in the United States|Flag Day in 1899
The Pledge of Allegiance was written in 1892 by Francis Bellamy (1855-1931), a Baptist minister, a Christian socialism|Christian socialist, and the cousin of socialist utopian novelist Edward Bellamy (1850-1898). Bellamy's original "Pledge of Allegiance" was published in the September 8th issue of the popular children's magazine The Youth's Companion as part of the National Public-School Celebration of Columbus Day, a celebration of the 400th anniversary of Christopher Columbus's discovery of America, conceived by James B. Upham.

Bellamy's original Pledge read, "I Pledge Allegiance to my Flag and the Republic for which it stands, one nation indivisible with liberty and justice for all."



The pledge was supposed to be quick and to the point. Bellamy designed it to be stated in 15 seconds. He had initially also considered using the words ''equality'' and ''fraternity'" March 2009 but decided they were too controversial since many people opposed equal rights for women and blacks. March 2009

After a proclamation by President Benjamin Harrison, the Pledge was first used in public schools on October 12, 1892 during Columbus Day observances. This date was also significant as it was the dedication day of the World's Columbian Exposition in Chicago, Illinois. Bellamy thought that the pledge itself and the involvement of children across the country would be a fine show of national solidarity.

In 1923 the National Flag Conference called for the words ''my Flag'' to be changed to ''the Flag of the United States.'' The reason given was to ensure that immigrants knew to which flag reference was being made. The words "of America" were added a year later. The U.S. Congress officially recognized the Pledge as the official national pledge on June 22, 1942.

Students pledging to the flag in with the Bellamy salute.
In 1940 the Supreme Court of the United States|Supreme Court, in deciding the case of ''Minersville School District v. Gobitis'', ruled that students in public schools could be compelled to recite the Pledge, even Jehovah's Witnesses like the Gobitases, who considered the flag salute to be idolatry. In the wake of this ruling, there was a rash of mob violence and intimidation against Jehovah's Witnesses. In 1943 the Supreme Court reversed its decision, ruling in ''West Virginia State Board of Education v. Barnette'' that "compulsory unification of opinion" violated the First Amendment to the United States Constitution|First Amendment]]. Hodak, George (June 2008), "Flag Day Reversal". ''ABA Journal''. '''94''' (6):72

Reciting of the pledge is accompanied by a salute. An early version of the salute, adopted in 1892, was known as the Bellamy salute. It ended with the arm outstretched and the palm upwards. Because of the similarity between the Bellamy salute and the Hitler salute|Nazi salute, President Franklin D. Roosevelt instituted the hand-over-the-heart gesture as the salute to be rendered by civilians during the Pledge of Allegiance and the The Star-Spangled Banner|national anthem in the United States, instead of the Bellamy salute. This was done when United States Congress|Congress officially adopted the United States Flag Code|''Flag Code'' on June 22, 1942. cite book Leepson Marc Flag: An American Biography.


Wiki Search and Beats all. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pledge_of_Allegiance#References)

[Puede]

I don't see why it's so hard for some people to say it. It only takes a few seconds... But people are who they are :P I guess if people really feel like they shouldn't have to say it, then I believe they don't have to.

[slade1000]

/respect for skeem

[skreem]

=)

[Bladxe]

Patriotism partly, and partly religious. I don't believe in god, so if I was in an American school and was asked to say it, I'd decline. I love America, but I don't believe in the standard "God" people pray to. It seems as schools are trying to force God in our minds. I would refuse to not say it, I'm going to believe in what I want and no Government nor school is going to tell me otherwise.

Not saying your wrong about your religion, as I am not fond about arguing about it, but in PUBLIC schools, teacher's are suppose to talk about God or any other religion. The main reason the Pledge has under God in it is because our four-father's founded America on this religion and it is one of the largest religions around.

[skreem]

Good job bladxe =)
Glad someone besides myself knows some history.

[Bladxe]

Lol. Thanks. Read my post about the Giants. It took me like 20 minutes to type. I wanted to look professional.

[xtavie]

Bladxe, I believe you meant to say, "teachers aren't supposed to"... Otherwise, you are correct.

A Pretty Face, if anything, the government has been trying it's best to force God out of our minds... Take a look at all the laws, which basically doctrine the opposite of what the Bible tells Christians to do.

[ProphetX]

if anything, the government has been trying it's best to force God out of our minds...

I wouldn't say they're trying to force religion ("God") out of your minds, but they're definitely trying very hard not to take sides. That's why there are laws against teachers discussing that sort of stuff with students, because they don't want teachers forcing their religious views on students.

Religion is a very personal thing and should be taught by family and friends. The laws exist to ensure everybody is given a fair chance to decide what their religion is (or isn't).

[xtavie]

The government is slowly taking away Christians right to practice... It is now illegal for a church to turn away a person applying for a job, just because they are homosexual. This is a clear violation of Christianity's moral obligations and commandments.