2 + 2 = 5

[The Digital Skystrider]

2+2=5 for sufficiently large values of 2.

Example: You have 4 forum trolls. Added together they have more posts then 5 other forum trolls. X = 1 Forum Troll.
Therefore 2x + 2x = 5x.



Additionally;

1 = 0.999~
No lie.

And additionally;

Infinity is finite. Consider Pie, It is considered infinite by math. however, if you look at any circle, it is not finite. It does not macromolecular-ly go on. Consider fractions as well.


And to boggle the mind even more;

There is an answer to a negative number square rooted. If you study Optics (such as in the new wires) you will eventually run into this problem some way or another. Mathematics considers that a number that is negative under a square root, cannot be solved unless if it's results are equal to an absolute value. And Absolute value is a different number set entirely, and defiantly won't give you the answer needed. However Light works fine, so you can square root a negative, It is and always will be. But math states you cannot. So something is wrong.

Try asking that to your teacher. He will either freak out as if you were contemplating to divide by zero, or tell you about the 'Imaginary Numbers'
No lie, he will tell you about imaginary numbers and the patchwork that they are in math. ;)

/Discuss on the basis of mathematics, and weather it's very existence is flawed when attempting to define more advance parts of the universe.

[QQrofl]

It equals 4 not 5... It won't be changed either.

[mrx3666]

Lies, 2+2 = FISH!

[m2b]

Really interesting fact, I will try it on my Math teacher soon :) But first me memorize the fact o0 Maybe get a video footage.

[The Digital Skystrider]

Lies, 2+2 = FISH!

We are nearing the truth!
>.>
<.<

But first me memorize the fact o.0

Just ask him if Negative 1 square rooted can be solved.

Additionally to further my debate, consider that mathematics is based on representation of quantity. It's not based on anything else. 1 = one definate whole. Nothing else. Therfore there is only so far you can go useing the system. For a system made to explain everything, It has quite a lot of limits. It can't represent quality, it can't represent time passed around that 1. Nor can it represent a miriad of sub-categories.

Example; If I say 1 Forum troll, Does that tell you anything about the quality of posts it does? Or about the Number of posts it does? In effect, there is only one thing described by math, The quantity of Forum trolls.

Consider Time mechanics, Consistant parrallel universes, Extra dimentions, quantum mechanics and Light. All these subjects we find that Math become obsolete, In order to progress farther, a new and more powerfull system needs to be invented, capable to complying with the new rule set. So far whenever mankind has reached that limit, they patched math up, (Hence the imaginary Number set to Solve the negative square root.)

I'd bet that zero can devide something, it's just that the answer is not supported by expressions in math.

Math in itself is flawed, and will only go so far to explain this world.
/continue disscusstion.

[abba149]

Lies, 2+2 = FISH!

http://floridafisheries.com/images/ext-anat.jpg

[mrx3666]

See Aba got it right!

[cillian]

There is an answer to a negative number square rooted. If you study Optics (such as in the new wires) you will eventually run into this problem some way or another. Mathematics considers that a number that is negative under a square root, cannot be solved unless if it's results are equal to an absolute value. And Absolute value is a different number set entirely, and defiantly won't give you the answer needed. However Light works fine, so you can square root a negative, It is and always will be. But math states you cannot. So something is wrong.

Try asking that to your teacher. He will either freak out as if you were contemplating to divide by zero, or tell you about the 'Imaginary Numbers'
No lie, he will tell you about imaginary numbers and the patchwork that they are in math. ;)

/Discuss on the basis of mathematics, and weather it's very existence is flawed when attempting to define more advance parts of the universe.

I squared, + J squared + K squared = IJK Squared = -1

[kingjune1st]

2+2=4 fish :P 2f+2f=4f

[ninjaman91]

all i can say is 2+2=4 and it shall always be that way.. and regardless if the "apparently" 0.999, it would always be rounded up to the nearest whole therefore making it 1 and nothing else... so if i was to hazard a guess as to what else 2+2 might = then i would have to say this...

2+2=http://i365.photobucket.com/albums/oo91/toadshaw91/tactical_facepalm.jpg

[ProphetX]

The imaginary number "i" is a necessity. It exists because our brains cannot comprehend the real value of the square root of -1. It is a placeholder, just like letters of the alphabet are placeholders when solving algebraic equations.

Also, 1 is not equal to 0.9x10^-∞.
1 is equal to 1.
0.9x10^-∞ is not even a real number, as it relies on infinity to exist.

When you think about it, Mathematics cannot be wrong because it is something that we created. Numbers do not exist, they are an entity that we created to represent value. Think of Mathematics as a language, and numbers as words. "Computer" does not exist, it is an English word that was created to represent an object. Just like the number 2 was created to represent the value of something twice.

You know it's a shame we were born with 10 fingers and 10 toes, because for this very reason we based our entire number and counting system on tens. If we had based it on twelves we would have a much more efficient number system. I can't be bothered explaining why, so google it if you're interested.

[The Digital Skystrider]

Mathematics cannot be wrong because it is something that we created

That same argument can be used as a counter to your argument. ^_^

Mathematics can be wrong because it is something that we created

Fixed. Also your stating that it's not false because it does not truly exists. While this is true, it's on a completely different level then what I'm debating. I'm asking weather the system itself Is adequate in explaining the universe. My question is related to Math -> Universe. Yours is about People -> math. Something your argument should have heavy ground cover on is weather the void beyond space is truly nothing or weather it is something because it represents nothing-ness. And in it's representation, it has a value.

Back to topic ->


You have to consider, when the mathematics system was 'invented' There were many different ways of calculating, created by different cultures. Eventually only one system remained, because it was the most comprehensible, and worked better then other systems (similar to how the letter system for languages is mostly universal).

Consider the fact that it (math) was developed long before anyone knew of quantum mechanics, Complex theories about constant parallel universes, and all the other hubla.

The system was never designed with these in mind and by the time technology and critical thinking reached these points, the system was too immersed into society to switch to a more powerful system.

It's exactly like you said, math can be related to languages. If an entire society was born and raised to english, what hope do you have of switching to the Indian click and whistle language? You can add new words to the language (Imaginary numbers) but eventually something will arrive that no amount of patches can fix. (Example: aliens arrive with a completely different manner of speech.)

It exists because our brains cannot comprehend the real value of the square root of -1

Our brains have no problem understanding the concept. We have been taught from early on on use mathematics, therefore when a question that is normally unsolvable by the system, Our brains are trained to think logically mathematically so it considers the equation unsolvable on the basis of how it has been taught to think. If you had been raised on a different system, one that could support the answer, your brain would have no problem calculating the answer.

Phycology 101.
Use your other side of your brain to comprehend the answer.

If we had based it on twelves we would have a much more efficient number system. I can't be bothered explaining why

1 out of 100 understand what base 12 means.
the other 117 don't.

I know about hexadecimals, and all the other number systems (most of them at least xD). You can step off your high horse now. I don't meddle in debates I have no general knowledge in.
Debating about something you know zero to nothing, that's like playing football if your short, skinny and a slow runner.
>.>

On the thread itself, it seems we got a bunch of forum trolls talking about them early on.
Shoo! Bad trolls bad! This thread R Srs Buissness, Maek poast on teh general chatz.

And the other ones saying "Lul 2+2=4 and it won't ever every change!" learn a lesson from the creationists. Debate it!
Yes, I C U saying lulwut there as you read this.
>:]

[cillian]

Our brains have no problem understanding the concept. We have been taught from early on on use mathematics, therefore when a question that is normally unsolvable by the system, Our brains are trained to think logically mathematically so it considers the equation unsolvable on the basis of how it has been taught to think. If you had been raised on a different system, one that could support the answer, your brain would have no problem calculating the answer.

I just solved it in my last post -.-

[Remixed]

OMG, this is really complicated, even for me xD

[henna9]

same , i dont understand this :P

[mrx3666]

It's easy to understand, but imo Steven Hawkings needs to get his butt on here and prove him wrong since Steven Hawking knows everything that has to do with numbers.

[cillian]

Steven Hawking is a number..

[mrx3666]

Indeed. That's how he knows everything about them D:

[The Digital Skystrider]

I squared, + J squared + K squared = IJK Squared = -1

You didn't tell what the variables represented. And it's not squared, it's square rooted. If you square something you double it. Little things like that throw people off.

Also your example,
It's like saying x + r = 5.
Sure there are solutions to this, but there are errors as well. It's too vague.
Add a solution set to your example then we're talking ;)

And following the answer, the Numbers that are square rooted need to be negative. And were not saying it = -1, were saying weather it's even solvable.

[ProphetX]

I just solved it in my last post -.-

You solved nothing. You just used more imaginary numbers.

[Calaminh]

Infinity is finite. Consider Pie, It is considered infinite by math. however, if you look at any circle, it is not finite. It does not macromolecular-ly go on. Consider fractions as well.

The ratio C/d is constant, regardless of a circle's size. For example, if a circle has twice the diameter d of another circle it will also have twice the circumference C, preserving the ratio C/d. This fact is a consequence of the similarity of all circles. BUT Pie itself is Infinite, the circle limits it, and we're also finding the area too right?